Gungan Hatred

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2004-10-10 01:22pm

Why do some fans hate Gungans? is it JRar Jar Binks fault or something else?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-10-10 01:28pm

Jar Jar and the rest of the Gungans don't really bother me at all.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2004-10-10 01:34pm

Don´t hate them, in fact I think they have a pretty cool army (although in need of modernization) and that ain´t too bad. My feelings toward Mr. Binks changes constantly, although I get a kick out of people speculating if it´s his voice shouting "Weesa free!" at the end of ROTJ.

Post by **Coyote** » 2004-10-10 02:50pm

I actually like Gungans, it's Jar Jar that I dislike. But I don't even really hate him, I just think the character was overdone. He doesn't bother me as much as he seems to get at some folks out there...

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2004-10-10 02:50pm

I like the Gungans, in fact they make it possible to get through TPM if you have small kids.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2004-10-10 02:59pm

Jar Jar didn't bother me at all. When TPM premiered, I stayed away from all discussions, reviews etc. simply because it premiered later here in Sweden (it premiered in August '99) and I didn't want to learn any spoilers and that the hype was so enourmous, I wanted to form my own opinion. I saw the trailers, but nothing else. I must say I really like Jar Jar (except in connection with the Eopie fart joke). Sure, he's geared towards the younger audience, but he's also clearly inspired by Buster Keaton (to whom he also works as a homage). While the scenes with Gungan City doesn't add very much to the plot, it's a fascinating (and beautiful) environment, and the Gungan showed that they were pretty good in a fight against an enemy that was superior to them.
The animation of Jar Jar is, IMO, (strangely) better in TPM than in the brief scenes with him in AOTC, not to forget the fact that I think he looks more natural than Gollum in LOTR.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2004-10-10 03:04pm

Mange the Swede wrote: I think he looks more natural than Gollum in LOTR.

*snickers*

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2004-10-10 03:21pm

Jar-Jar is annoying and lame as a comedic sidekick, but I can usually just ignore his role as a character and just accept him as a random person. In other words, I like Jar-Jar so long as I don't picture the film as a written story that intentionally put him there for some purpose.

The Gungans are perfectly fine. Their dialect is tolerable and at least has an excuse, and any society who wanted to sentence Jar-Jar Binks to death by pounding should be a-ok with anybody.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-10-10 03:21pm

Mange the Swede wrote:The animation of Jar Jar is, IMO, (strangely) better in TPM than in the brief scenes with him in AOTC, not to forget the fact that I think he looks more natural than Gollum in LOTR.

One thing I absolutely hated about ROTK, was at the very start we see Andy Serkis (sp?) play Gollum before he became Gollum - and he was precisely 100% more convincing as a real life actor than he was as that CGI POS.

I disagree with you on Jarjar, for the same reason I hated Gollum: CGI is not convincing when its up close and personal. For the big scale, epic battles and battle fleets blasting each other to bits, it's not only good but actually required; but to see a CGI character? What the fuck is the point?

And as for Gungans proper, I consider Ewoks to be better.

Jean Paul · Post by **Jean Paul** » 2004-10-10 03:34pm

Well here's something: Between TPM and AOTC, did the Gungans start to come out into the open and upgrade their technology etc?

I seem to remember seeing a couple of them walking about in some city on Naboo (might have been Theed, might not), in AOTC. This implies that they were indeed now comfortable living with and even among Naboo's human population.

Also, what became of them after the rise of the empire? Are there gungans in the rebellion? Or the empire? Or were they wiped out? Palpatine seemed to have a special hatred for them. Nute Gunray spoke of "primatives", but Palpatine, being a Nubian himself, would have undoubtedly known that these "primatives" Nute was talking about must be the gungans. His order to the viceroy... "Wipe them out. All of them."

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2004-10-10 03:40pm

Jean Paul wrote:Well here's something: Between TPM and AOTC, did the Gungans start to come out into the open and upgrade their technology etc?

I seem to remember seeing a couple of them walking about in some city on Naboo (might have been Theed, might not), in AOTC. This implies that they were indeed now comfortable living with and even among Naboo's human population.

Also, what became of them after the rise of the empire? Are there gungans in the rebellion? Or the empire? Or were they wiped out? Palpatine seemed to have a special hatred for them. Nute Gunray spoke of "primatives", but Palpatine, being a Nubian himself, would have undoubtedly known that these "primatives" Nute was talking about must be the gungans. His order to the viceroy... "Wipe them out. All of them."

There was some integration after TPM, but I don't think in general they accepted a lot of Naboo technology or traveled offworld. They were not wiped out with the rise if the Empire.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-10-10 03:47pm

Jean Paul wrote:Well here's something: Between TPM and AOTC, did the Gungans start to come out into the open and upgrade their technology etc?

I seem to remember seeing a couple of them walking about in some city on Naboo (might have been Theed, might not), in AOTC. This implies that they were indeed now comfortable living with and even among Naboo's human population.

The Naboo and the Gungans became closer and even created a planetary shield together. There was increased trade and friendship.

Also, what became of them after the rise of the empire? Are there gungans in the rebellion? Or the empire? Or were they wiped out? Palpatine seemed to have a special hatred for them. Nute Gunray spoke of "primatives", but Palpatine, being a Nubian himself, would have undoubtedly known that these "primatives" Nute was talking about must be the gungans. His order to the viceroy... "Wipe them out. All of them."

I doubt they were wiped out since Gungans are shown in RotJ. Or at least a few Gungans are celebrating.

As for me, I don't mind the Gungans. Never really liked Boss Nass though. Not sure why. The others were cool, especially the army.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2004-10-11 01:11am

but Palpatine, being a Nubian himself

Actually, Nubians are from the planet Nubia, if you want the correct naming he´s a "Naboo". A Naboo ---> more Naboo.

Or were they wiped out?

Why must every single thing not seen in the OT be wiped out? "Is Geonosis wiped out? Is this species wiped out?" Come on, guys, it´s a big galaxy, can´t expect to see the same things over and over again. Except Tatooine.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-10-11 01:20am

Typhonis 1 wrote:Why do some fans hate Gungans? is it JRar Jar Binks fault or something else?

I'd usually say something about Jar-Jar, but instead I'll go with Castrate Straha in vengeance for the "laugh at Mac users" thread :p

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2004-10-11 03:33am

I hate the Gungans as a race as they only banished JarJar. They should have tortured him to death. But NOOOOO they even made him general after that

imho

Old Plympto · Post by **Old Plympto** » 2004-10-11 03:37am

No problems for me, Jar Jar or the Gungans.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-10-11 08:57am

They suck. I hate Jar Jar and I hate "Boss Nass" with his stupid fucking accent and that stupid shake-head-and-drool ... thing he does.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2004-10-11 10:10am

I didn't have any problems with the Gungans, and I probably wouldn't have minded Jar Jar if he wasn't as obnoxious as he was in the movie. However, TPM would have been just as dissapointing if he wasn't in it.

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2004-10-11 12:55pm

"What about the Ewoks, eh? They were rubbish! You don't complain about them!"
"Yeah, but Jar Jar makes the Ewoks look like... fucking Shaft!"

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2004-10-11 02:03pm

Calm down people.

At least the Gungans LOST the ground-battle, while there are still people, who think, that the Ewoks won in ROTJ.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2004-10-11 03:26pm

Jar Jar was irritating, to say the least. The Gungans spoke and looked silly, as well. I could definately do without.

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2004-10-11 03:54pm

FTeik wrote:Calm down people.

At least the Gungans LOST the ground-battle, while there are still people, who think, that the Ewoks won in ROTJ.

Did I see the wrong movie? I thought that they DID win.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-10-11 03:55pm

Gustav32Vasa wrote:
FTeik wrote:Calm down people.

At least the Gungans LOST the ground-battle, while there are still people, who think, that the Ewoks won in ROTJ.
Did I see the wrong movie? I thought that they DID win.

Who surrendered to who?

Remember they won because of Anakin, not because of their tactics. If not for Anakin they surrendered to a foe they could not win against.

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2004-10-11 04:03pm

Ghost Rider wrote:
Gustav32Vasa wrote:
FTeik wrote:Calm down people.

At least the Gungans LOST the ground-battle, while there are still people, who think, that the Ewoks won in ROTJ.
Did I see the wrong movie? I thought that they DID win.
Who surrendered to who?

Remember they won because of Anakin, not because of their tactics. If not for Anakin they surrendered to a foe they could not win against.

I know that the Gungans lost, I meant the Ewoks winning in RotJ.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-10-11 04:11pm

Gustav32Vasa wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:
Gustav32Vasa wrote: Did I see the wrong movie? I thought that they DID win.
Who surrendered to who?

Remember they won because of Anakin, not because of their tactics. If not for Anakin they surrendered to a foe they could not win against.
I know that the Gungans lost, I meant the Ewoks winning in RotJ.

Ah...the FTiek is referring that unless Chewbacca gained the AT-ST...the Ewoks were in a rout in that battle.

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