However, you might have something there. Wasn't there an episode of TNG where they found that the use of warp drive was creating "dead zones" in the quadrant where warp drive would no longer function at all, and forced the Federation to start imposing "speed limits" to minimize the danger?
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Indeed. It was the TNG episode Force of Nature. Warp drive was causing subspace rifts in a region space. Rifts in turn generated intense gravity destabilies nearby planet orbits. So Starfleet decided to limit warp speed in that region to warp 5.
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However, you might have something there. Wasn't there an episode of TNG where they found that the use of warp drive was creating "dead zones" in the quadrant where warp drive would no longer function at all, and forced the Federation to start imposing "speed limits" to minimize the danger?
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Indeed. It was the TNG episode Force of Nature. Warp drive was causing subspace rifts in a region space. Rifts in turn generated intense gravity destabilies nearby planet orbits. So Starfleet decided to limit warp speed in that region to warp 5.
I think that problem was fixed in later generations of warp systems.
SPOOFE wrote:If by "fixed" you mean "ignored by the writers", then yes, you're correct.
Are you sure? IIRC in Voyagers pilot episode, when we first saw Voy, that Betazoid who dies later said among other things that Voyagers warp engines had been "fixed".
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I believe that the raising of the nacelles is what keeps the Voyager from having that effect when it goes to warp.
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Trogdor wrote:I believe that the raising of the nacelles is what keeps the Voyager from having that effect when it goes to warp.
I heard the same thing before. However, there are still ships being currently created with fixed nacelles. Just look at the E-E and the Defiant. Both types created after the discovery, and both lacking the moveable nacelles that the Intrepid has. If all the ships were "fixed", it must not be dependant on a nacelle configuration like Voyager's.
I'm quite sure that the Producers said that Voyagers nacelles were a first generation fix against the subspace damage. Of course why they simply couldn't be locked up I don't know, but I guess there is some reason.
And they said that the E-E's more 'intact' design (the integration of the saucer and drive sections) achives the same purpose without the need for moving nacelles.
Chris OFarrell wrote:And they said that the E-E's more 'intact' design (the integration of the saucer and drive sections) achives the same purpose without the need for moving nacelles.
So, exactly what did they do that fixed the problem? I'm lost, but from what I understand, all warp capable craft were causing the decay. Most of Starfleet used intact ships, so why would the fact that the E-E was integrated change anything? Was there something internally that they modified as well?
I'm quite sure that the Producers said that Voyagers nacelles were a first generation fix against the subspace damage. Of course why they simply couldn't be locked up I don't know, but I guess there is some reason.
'Cuz then they couldn't do that semi-Transformer bit every time Voyager went to warp. Call me jaded, and I hate concluding it, but frankly, more about the show is done for how it would LOOK and how the fans would react rather than for good story or universe creation.
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Chris OFarrell wrote:And they said that the E-E's more 'intact' design (the integration of the saucer and drive sections) achives the same purpose without the need for moving nacelles.
So, exactly what did they do that fixed the problem? I'm lost, but from what I understand, all warp capable craft were causing the decay. Most of Starfleet used intact ships, so why would the fact that the E-E was integrated change anything? Was there something internally that they modified as well?
Something about Warp Field dynamics or something, that its defied by the shape of the ship. That the new hull designs and warp field technology don't damage subspace like the older Starfleet ships.
At least thats the justification the producers put forward.
I thought it was a modification of the warp core itself. Weren't a lot of ships created prior to the speed limit used afterwards in DS9? From a production perspective, saying it was a modification of the warp core means they don't have to change the look of a single model, such as the Nebula design.
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Face it, it's just shitty writing. They created a huge dilemma, originally said to be intrinsic to the very operating principle of warp drive, and then they didn't want to deal with it so they just erased it with a vague one-liner somewhere about fixing the problem.
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Darth Wong wrote:Face it, it's just shitty writing. They created a huge dilemma, originally said to be intrinsic to the very operating principle of warp drive, and then they didn't want to deal with it so they just erased it with a vague one-liner somewhere about fixing the problem.
Yes, but vague one-liner and shitty writing set aside, if the production personnel said it... however, would this be considered canon or not? I guess it depends on who said it, when they said it, what context they said it in, and so on.
Question : Do the Enterprise-E and Voyager ships damage the fabric of space like Enterprise-D? Are there canon references to this?
As a total sidebar, the reason Voyager and ships in it's class had variable nacelle geometry is for the same reason you have swing wing desings on an F-14.
The coser the nacelles are together, the fast and more efficient the warp drive is. The further apart they are, the better it changes direction. Like a wheelbase. (think dragster VS canyon racer) Lower speed agility VS top speed.
The variability is to optimise nacelle spacing for the current use.
Hmmmmmm.
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