Lord of the Gun

Atlan · Post by **Atlan** » 2004-10-12 03:42pm

The Cleric, no doubt. Yes, Vash would be better, but then again (without getting specific) Vash is hardly human...

Post by **Kuja** » 2004-10-12 04:27pm

Roland.

The_Last_Rebel · Post by **The_Last_Rebel** » 2004-10-12 04:38pm

>sigh<

I can't believe you left out:
Han Solo (who needs no explanation why)
Revolver Ocelot (Metal Gear Solid--anyone who can nail 5 guys w/AKs with an old six-gun before anyone can even blink is cool in my book)
Rooster Cogburn(John Wayne's character in True Grit and a sequel with the same name-in one scene he's riding a horse with the reigns in his teeth, a Colt in one hand, and a Winchester in the other, charging a bunch of desperadoes. In another scene he's blazing away with a Gatling gun, laughing the whole time. Now, he had style)

Darwin · Post by **Darwin** » 2004-10-12 05:54pm

C'mon, Solo didn't even shoot first.

Revolver Ocelot is pretty good, but falls flat when he gets around anyone in his own class of skill.

Vash is a badass 'slinger, Him vs Cleric Preston would have to be pretty close.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2004-10-12 06:02pm

Darwin wrote:C'mon, Solo didn't even shoot first.

Nor is he a paticularly good shot; not in the area of gun toters we're talking about. I'd say he's more lucky than anything else. Fair with a weapon, sure, but not in the same class as most of these guys.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2004-10-12 06:21pm

Wolfwood or Chapel the Evergreen over Vash, they ae actually human, and don't have little things like cyber arm machineguns and nuclear death that they can fling out their butthole taking away from their pure gunslinging glory.

Pierrot Le Fout for most guns carried into a fight.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-10-12 07:27pm

For this batch...I would seriously give it to Roland. The shit King describes him do with a gun, makes even Vash look pretty average.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2004-10-12 07:32pm

Nobody from Wild Arms makes the list? C'mon, Virginia (from Advanced Third) is at least a decent 'slinger when she gets to medium levels. In addition, she uses paired revolvers, unlike most of the others (must be double-action), and is capable of pulling off twenty shots (with heavily modified revolvers) before an opponent can react.

Out of those listed, I'd have to go with the Gunslinger. For him, it's a way of life from birth, not something learned later.

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2004-10-13 03:12am

NeoGoomba wrote:The Desperado (Desperado/Once Upon a Time in Mexico)

Nitpick: shouldnt that be "El Mariachi"?

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2004-10-13 03:13am

Oh and Bruce Willis in last man standing was pretty badass with his 45's

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2004-10-13 11:05am

Well, in all fairness. Preston WAS firing fully automatic.

Still, though, I think I have to give it to Preston, although Ocelot...damn, I mean that guy bullseyes you with ricochets

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-10-13 11:53am

White Haven wrote:Well, in all fairness. Preston WAS firing fully automatic.

Actually, he was usually firing semi-auto.

Darwin · Post by **Darwin** » 2004-10-13 01:09pm

wautd wrote:
NeoGoomba wrote:The Desperado (Desperado/Once Upon a Time in Mexico)
Nitpick: shouldnt that be "El Mariachi"?

most people don't realize that OUaTiM was the THIRD movie in the series...

El Mariachi is an underappreciated film, with at least twice as much heart as its sequel Desperado.

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2004-10-13 01:13pm

Stormbringer wrote:
White Haven wrote:Well, in all fairness. Preston WAS firing fully automatic.
Actually, he was usually firing semi-auto.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I distinctly recall one scene, for example, where Preston crosses his wrists and just turns, blasting at full-auto the whole time.

Vain · Post by **Vain** » 2004-10-13 02:16pm

As far as who kicks the most ass, definitely the Saint of Killers, of Preacher fame. Granted, he has magic six guns that never miss and kills anything they hit (and I do mean anything, if you've read the whole series), but he was a badass even before his elevation into his role as the Angel of Death. Now if they must be strictly mortal and not instruments of divine retribution, then definitely John Preston, with style and substance. Equilibrium actually made me want to believe that you could stand in the center of a room full of guys with machine guns and kill them all without being hit, if you just knew the occult mysteries of the Gun Kata.

NeoGoomba · Post by **NeoGoomba** » 2004-10-13 09:20pm

Vain wrote:As far as who kicks the most ass, definitely the Saint of Killers, of Preacher fame. Granted, he has magic six guns that never miss and kills anything they hit (and I do mean anything, if you've read the whole series), but he was a badass even before his elevation into his role as the Angel of Death. Now if they must be strictly mortal and not instruments of divine retribution, then definitely John Preston, with style and substance. Equilibrium actually made me want to believe that you could stand in the center of a room full of guys with machine guns and kill them all without being hit, if you just knew the occult mysteries of the Gun Kata.

But in all fairness to Saint of Killers, his SKILLS with a gun as a human weren't all that great. He admitted to killing indians drunk, and it was his sheer ferocity and bloodthirst that made him known during the Civil War. That, and if I were to use him, I'd have to put in Clint Eastwood's character from Unforgiven, as the Saint's origin was basically that.

Cthulhu-chan · Post by **Cthulhu-chan** » 2004-10-14 02:10am

Another write-in for Roland Deschain. The man could clean out an entire town with just a pair of six-shooters, reloading on the fly. One shot, one kill.

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2004-10-14 01:53pm

Course if you take Preston's Sleeves of Carrying +2 away from him, well, things go a little different.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-10-14 03:28pm

Roland probably. Given the capabilities both demonstrated and inferred (frrom others of comparable talent like from the last book and Black House) he's more than a match (mostly because he's got at least some psychic ability backing him up).

Alucard would easily top him though (going by the manga.) He can hit a target from a kilometer away with his Casull (a glorified AMR in pistol form), has sixth senses and at least millisecond reaction times (again, based on the Manga.) He could easily own any of them.

Symmetry · Post by **Symmetry** » 2004-10-15 12:02am

Connor MacLeod wrote:Alucard would easily top him though (going by the manga.) He can hit a target from a kilometer away with his Casull (a glorified AMR in pistol form), has sixth senses and at least millisecond reaction times (again, based on the Manga.) He could easily own any of them.

Putting an old vampire into a contest is intrinsically unfair to everyone else

Singular Quartet · Post by **Singular Quartet** » 2004-10-15 03:06am

So's Vash the Stampede, the Humanoid Typhoon, but you don't see anyone giving a shit.

Remember, when you fight the best with a gun, come out on top and still don't kill anyone, you have to be good.

Oh, and consequences, Vash uses the Angel Arm willingly once, and once only. He can dodge bullets without actually looking like he's actively trying, and can redirect bullets through the use of pebbles.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-10-15 11:49am

i'll have to give it to Roland. most all the others listed use some type of magic power or special ability/weapon to get their uber leet gun skills. With Roland it's all pure skill and speed. He might use some small psychic ability to aid his concentration, but take away the special toys and powers of the others and Roland would wipe the floor with them imo. Considering all the things he's been described as doing by King.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2004-10-15 12:29pm

I do not aim with my hand;
he who aims with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
I aim with my eye.
I do not shoot with my hand;
he who shoots with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
I shoot with my mind.
I do not kill with my gun;
he who has killed with his gun has forgotten the face of his father.
I kill with my heart.

- Roland.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2004-10-15 12:39pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:I do not aim with my hand;
he who aims with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
I aim with my eye.
I do not shoot with my hand;
he who shoots with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
I shoot with my mind.
I do not kill with my gun;
he who has killed with his gun has forgotten the face of his father.
I kill with my heart.

- Roland.

Bah.

Dupont wrote:
The gun katas. Through analysis of thousands of recorded gunfights, the Cleric has determined that the geometric distribution of antagonists in any gun battle is a statistically predictable element.

The gun kata treats the gun as a total weapon, each fluid position representing a maximum kill zone, inflicting maximum damage on the maximum number of opponents while keeping the defender clear of the statistically traditional trajectories of return fire.

By the rote mastery of this art, your firing efficiency will rise by no less than 120%. The difference of a 63% increase to lethal proficiency makes the master of the gun katas an adversary not to be taken lightly.

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General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-10-15 12:45pm

Crazedwraith wrote: Bah.

Dupont wrote:
The gun katas. Through analysis of thousands of recorded gunfights, the Cleric has determined that the geometric distribution of antagonists in any gun battle is a statistically predictable element.

The gun kata treats the gun as a total weapon, each fluid position representing a maximum kill zone, inflicting maximum damage on the maximum number of opponents while keeping the defender clear of the statistically traditional trajectories of return fire.

By the rote mastery of this art, your firing efficiency will rise by no less than 120%. The difference of a 63% increase to lethal proficiency makes the master of the gun katas an adversary not to be taken lightly.

thrrp. in one of the books, Roland was in 20th century earth in a drug store when he was came upon by police. The policeman drew a gun, and while halfway delirious due to infection, and in an unfamiliar body, Roland still managed to outdraw the policeman, and fire the bullet into the barrel of the cop's gun. Didn't hurt the cop, but managed to disable him nicely despite all the handicaps at the time.

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