Anakin and Padme's romance

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2004-10-12 05:45pm

McC wrote:...and the movie would no longer have been "Star Wars" at all. Or did you miss the part where Star Wars is devoid of sex scenes?

Most unfortunate really. A Jabba/Leia scene would have rocked.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-10-12 07:37pm

Kurgan wrote:The Tusken Raider thing might not be so hard to swallow if it weren't for the fact that Anakin ADMITTED to Padme (but apparently nobody else) the he slaughtered the whole tribe, specifically including the women and children and he was ONLY upset that he let his anger get the better of him, not that he was a mass murderer (and she excused the idea of a person being emotional as part of being human).

I think she just thought "Hmm... what would I do if I found my mother who died in my arms, after being tortured extensively for days or even weeks, after being kidnapped by a bunch of savages who already pick on human settlements for no real reason, and slaughter and maim till their heart's content?" Plus it seemed at that point her feelings for him had grown.

McC · Post by **McC** » 2004-10-12 08:17pm

Kurgan wrote:The Tusken Raider thing might not be so hard to swallow if it weren't for the fact that Anakin ADMITTED to Padme (but apparently nobody else) the he slaughtered the whole tribe, specifically including the women and children and he was ONLY upset that he let his anger get the better of him, not that he was a mass murderer (and she excused the idea of a person being emotional as part of being human).

See the tangent in this thread for a discussion on this aspect of things

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-10-13 03:09pm

Okay, I do think it need not be pointed out that Padme is either too shocked or letting her "personal feelings get in the way."

It might be species racism, but in the deleted scenes we see how much she cares for that family of weird aliens (who all died later), so it's not as if she'd be thinking "oh well, Tusken children are scum, who cares if they died."

It just seems out of character for her to excuse genocidal acts like that.

Killing the Tusken guards is one thing, slaughter the whole tribe (including innocents) is quite another. True, they Tuskens were responsible for the deaths of 27 people, but that doesn't excuse mass slaughter like he did. Unless he believes that as a Jedi he's Judge, Jury and Executioner...

I'll check the link, thanks...

Edit: Interesting thread, though this ties into a LOT of really thorny modern issues (will read with gusto!).

As to the "female tuskens dress identically to male tuskens" there was a figure set released about the time the movie came out called "Tusken mother and child" (something along those lines). Resembled a woman with a burkha like under the Taliban. Don't think she came with a weapon either.

Anyway, I agree if somebody killed a loved one of mine, I might FEEL like killing for revenge, might feel like blowing up the whole world. BUT, that doesn't give me the right to do it, and (hopefully) my rational side/consciounce, whatever will take over and say "not worth it, don't do that, two wrong's don't make a right, this won't bring her back, etc."

I think the point of the scene is that Anakin lets his rage take over, and his great power then becomes a great tool for pointless destruction. A passionate man with great power is a very dangerous thing. And while the Tuskens are painted as savages, we see him (this supposedly civilized dude from the elite of society) become more of a savage than they are (like John Wayne's character in The Searchers).

As others pointed out, a Jedi would have the power to deal with the Tuskens in a less violent way than he did (slaughtering the entire tribe). We didn't see the actual battle (just him dismembering the guards and a couple of guys who charged him after seeing their comrade(s) cut down in cold blood).

I think it's obvious that Anakin was "wrong" to do what he did, even if he was justifiably angry at his mother's torture-murder. What is troubling is Padme's response to it all. Had she just remained silent or looked a little more troubled in the scene it might have been better. For now it just sounds like she either doesn't give a damn when her man does something wrong or she's undergoing cognitive dissonense.

Now as to "how should he resolve this" sure, he could have just walked away. He could have been diplomatic. He proved that he was strong enough to take out the entire tribe and didn't show so much as a scratch when he came back (he didn't look like Bruce Willis in Die Hard like he'd been through a huge fight). For all we know he murdered them all in their sleep except for the guards. The novel makes reference to some of the fighting IIRC. Anyhow, he could have mind tricked them, he could have arranged for the guilty parties to fight him in "honorable combat" (like the Fremen or something) until the blood guilt had been satisfied. This would prevent the liklihood of future incidents between the farmers and tuskens (the greater good, what the Jedi are supposed to be about), and would satisfy his desire for revenge (kill the guilty parties).

The key question is justice. We know what Anakin wants, but wants and justice are not the same thing. What Anakin did was overreach any acceptable bounds of justice by committing the act he did. Again, it would have been nice to see more of what Padme was thinking. Then again, perhaps her blaise reaction was intentional, to show how screwed up their relationship really was and how naive she was.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-10-14 03:40am

In the novelization Anakin runs down and kills a female Tusken and child right after he kills the two Tusken outside the hut. After awhile the Tusken's stop trying to fight him and attempt to flee. He crushes a hut full of them by dropping a huge boulder on them. Many other's he runs down while using the Force to enhance his speed.

There's also a scene in the novelization where he tells Padme that if Watto had anything to do with hurting his mother that hey will pluck the wings from his back. That is before he even talks to Watto. It's described as a promise in which "he meant every word". She probably should have been a little concerned then even if she figured he didn't mean it literally.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-10-15 01:25pm

Maybe she likes bad boys.

"I'm a rebel, Padme. A loner."

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-10-16 05:51am

Bob the Gunslinger wrote:Maybe she likes bad boys.

"I'm a rebel, Padme. A loner."

Isn't there another quote like that from some movie?

"Girls always go for the jerks."

Though I could be thinking of something one of my old roommates used to say, but then he was a big movie guy, so....

Time to scour IMDB!

McC · Post by **McC** » 2004-10-16 12:45pm

There's a song that goes "Girls don't like boys, girls like cars and money."

Probably not waht you're thinking of, though.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2004-10-16 10:46pm

Chicks dig jerks!

Or, people from backwater quaint resort planets secretly want to be in a volatile relationship with a confessed mass murdering wizard!