Skelron wrote:SirNitram wrote:
The whining you make that I call you a retard for acting like one, child.
Did I whine? Sorry I commented on it... but did I whine... Nope don't think so... ah well your quite able to generate your own lies I suppose, after all it sounds so good to say, 'Whined about what I was calling him' Rather than 'Commented on my insults,' after all one is bad the other... merely a passing comment...
Ten minutes away, kiddo. But that sufficed, because those who were there realized they don't get special treatment. That's the crux of it, the bit your braindead sack of failed neural tissue fails to get.
Ahh I see ten whole minutes away... wow shocking distance to walk... and again I ask how is it special treatment... unless you can show the university doe s not loan out rooms to society's it is not special treatment... Because the Islamic section of the University are a likely to have formed a Society. (They have in all the other universitys else after all) You keep screaming about special treatment etc... but you can't actually back it up except to shout... They are a religious group asking for something... must be asking for special treatment...
Wow, you're pathetic. You keep claiming it's not special treatment or preferential.. Yet no other religious group gets a room all to itself, does it, Skelron.. Nope.
Why don't you just stop trolling? Honestly. It's obvious your argument was deconstructed ages ago.
The only special treatment has been in the refusal based on the need to remain secular...
Because a secular group is not required to grant requests from religious groups, entirely on religious grounds. Deal with it, kid. When you grow up, it'll make sense.
Actually, they're very similar. Privately created institutions of learning which can accept and reject people as they see fit...
Really and the simple differances in size, space they take up, numbers of people attending, position of the various Dorms. (In my first Year of Uni for example our Dorms where a good Half an hour+ walk if not further away from the Uni, the net effect, once you went into Uni you stayed for the day, you did not go home till the day was over. In such situations you do not have dorm rooms to pray in... Nor is it digniffed to do your other helpful suggestion of go pray in the Bath rooms...
Whine whine whine... Look, kiddo. No other group gets rooms for it's day to day affairs. Islamics don't get it just because their religion is demanding. If it's that important, you must make your choice on which you will follow, education or religion.
You never grow tired of knocking over men of straw. A religious need that you can accomplish on your own time and in your own space is not and will never be the same as a blind person's need for assistance. How about an analogy which holds up for a nanosecond, you insipid little turd?
No maybe not it does however show that different situations lead to different results, that your accusation of favourtism is a pile of DOG SHIT because it does not meet the facts. Different need or situation=Different reaction. Blind man gets the seeing Eye dog in because he needs it, Seeing man leaves fdog outside because he does not nbeed it. Blind man is not being favoured... One Group Prays at set times... not by choice but because they believe in the tenents of the religion, they will pray at those times, they have no flexiable choice in the matter.
Oh yes, the claims of favoritism 'don't meet the facts'. If you dig your head out of your own ass, it becomes quite clear it's nothing but favoritism to grant these guys a room all to themselves, which, despite your whinings about a common-purpose prayer room(Which is STILL just favoritism, just to a larger group). Why? Because no other groups get private rooms for their own daily things. You can't deal with this, so you whine it's required of them. Whoop de shit.
Option one Go outside... it rains it's muddy it's shity weather... They ain't going outside...
So?
Option 2 They can go into the Public Bathrooms... Great place for Kneeling down their... besides how many other students are inconvinenced by having the loos taken up by the praying muslims...
I love how you cling onto a passing comment and whine about it. Do it in your own dorm rooms!
again they ain't going to want to go into the Bathrooms, it's not exactly the best place in the world... it'll do if their is NO WHERE else but...
Option 3 Pray in the halls, better than the Bathrooms in many ways, but your still underfoot of people trying to get past and round you... your causing an obstruction...
Dorm rooms. You still can't deal with this rebuttal which conveniently handles it, so you whine that they're too far away. Wah wah wah. Choose a less demanding faith if you can't walk!
Option 4 sneak into a classroom...
Might work, certainly better than options 1-3 but what if it's not empty what if a Class is coming in and someone starts a lecture, you'll be asked to move or disturb the other students or the lecturer... Not exactly the best solution in thre world...
No, it isn't. So don't do it. Go to your dorm rooms and pray in private.
Option 5 Hire an Empty Classroom... get accussed of wanting preferential treatment and it being anti-Secularism... except that it's not by the other Societys shouting preferential treatment irt's by SirNitram... and of course it's not preferential treatment as no one else has the problem....
'WAH WAH WAH! I'M A TROLL WHO CAN'T WIN A SIMPLE ARGUMENT SO I'LL CLAIM NITRAM IS EVIL!' You pathetic shithead. They want a private room for their religion. Yes, giving them a room all to themselves on the basis of religion contradicts the foundations of secularism. You continue to fail to deal with this by bitching and whining. There is no pressing need to accept this request, so they denied it. Deal.
But of course the bullshit Sirnitram comes outwith is all aimed at one simple fact to him a Secular Instituation should reject outright unless a pressing need any request by a religious group....
No, retard. ANY request. If the football team wants a private room for parties every day, that should get rejected too. But nice how you're knocking over more men of straw; you can't get enough of that, can you? You probably get a hard-on, building all these strawmen arguments and then declaring yourself the victor.
Even if they where in the habit of doing such things with non-religious society's such as loaning out rooms... after all a Non-religious gathering of 100+ Students would be something that should be encouraged... but a religious... Thats anti-secular and favouritism...
No shit, fuckhead. You have yet to offer a reliable argument why it
isn't favoritist. You just whine that I declare it such.
See above. Make an analogy that fits, you pile of slime.
How does an analogy pointing out that different people have different needs and are treated differently to meet those needs not fit in showing that meeting the needs of this religion is not favouritism when another group does not have those needs....?
A blind man without assistance can get killed. A muslim who has to jog to be able to pray is not in any such danger. This is so trivially simple small children can understand.. But you cannot.
Oh wait it does fit... You just didn't like it...
Liar. But that's to be expected at this stage. Your Wall of Ignorance is at full power.
so okay lets try a different one... The Roleplay society meets once a week in a room, to be a member of the Union each member pays £6 a year. The Rock-Climbers society pcharges each member £15 a year The roleplay society is not being favoured here it has different needs... it does not have insurance to pay, or tools to hire etc... therefore it's members are charged less....
OR
The football Society books a room, the Roleplay Society books a room, but one week the room is needed by the union... and so they are moved. The Football society is not being favoured by not being moved it's room is a Gym while the Roleplay's is a Lecture theatre which is what is needed by the Union....
again different needs, leading to different treatment.
Ah, I see. You're simply a deluded asstard.
Or....
Need I go on, being treated differently does not mean that one group is being favoured if one group has different requirements. A Moron might not get that... most people would I thought.
Yea, you are a moron, so of course this thread continues. You continue to fail to get that a secular institution is not required or even expected to provide
jack shit for religion. When you actually become aware of this fact, feel free to come back.
'Secularism is bullshit!'
Did I say Secularism is Bullshit, if I did I apologise, I meant of course the blanket use of it by yourself as a reason in and of itself, that it means that any religious request can be rejected out of hand without consideration... (and by implication should be) Securalism good, the blanket application of it, and the use of it as an excuse to justify anything that acts against any religious groups request, even when that request would not impact on the institution as in this example is Bullshit, because it does not achieve anything... Nor does accepting the request hurt anbybody.
No, it just perpetuates favoritism by granting one group something others don't have. Whoops! You can't deal with that, so you'll start your strawmen allllll over again.
I love this, you can't do a damn thing but whine it's perfectly reasonable. But it's not. It's giving these people something just because they're Islamic. There is no pressing need to accept this request. Therefore, it should not be accepted. This is the way the real world works, regardless of whatever bullcrap you beleive right now, littel boy.
ah yes the this is the way works, their is no pressing need therefore it should be rejected argument truely no better argument has ever existed... wait no thats bullshit... this is the way the university in question works... the others decided to work completly the opposite, why operhaps because they recognised that granting a small request of consideration for the differances of others was in fact the better way to work. Perhaps because they felt that when Students leave universities top go elsewhere due to policies... the policiy needs re-evaluation... Perhaps because they recognise asking people to Kneeel down in Public Bathrooms and fulfil a matter of their personal conscioence was in fact a disgusting way to act...
Wow, you must be stroking yourself pretty hard, the way you keep harping on the bathroom quip. You don't actually have a sense of irony here, do you? No matter. Your argument is destroyed. The University is free to set it's policies, just as people are free to leave. It's policies include not extending special treatment to Islamics just because.. They're Islamic. Oh well!
Perhaps because they realised that, in accepting theois request they where harming nobody and actually helping make life that little bit easier for their Students...
Except they decided not to. They're allowed. As a secular institution, they are not required to grant ANYTHING to any religious group for ANY religious reason. Grow up and understand that sometime.
Perhaps I am not being realistic perhaps your right in that... You know what the world also works through War Death and Famine... but they arn't things we praise... they are things we attempt to rpevent... Yet, hgere in preventing a small thing it's suddenly the way the world works... and a good thing.
This is hilarious. We should give something to some Islamic students that no other groups get... Because otherwise IT'S JUST LIKE WAR FAMINE AND DEATH OH NOES!11 What a troll you are...
Which in the end is what you have argued that the university made the right choice... ((The any other decision is favourtism argument is one of positive agreement with the university not one of negative agreement or 'They have that choice')) So you agree with the decision..
Yes, I do. Because they don't deserve favoritism just because they're Islamic. As much as you strawman as hard as you possibly can, that's what it is. Provide an argument against if you can.. Oh wait, you can't.
You feel it would be special treatment, I feel it simply recognises an essential facet of a large part of the Student body, and meets a need, not a Physical need I agree, but a need none the less. They don't phyisically have to pray but they will pray...
Then they can jog back to their rooms, or to a corner, or just pray in their heads. No one but them chose their demanding path. They don't get favoured treatment just because they're Islamic, as much as you try to pass off this as 'needs'.
accepting they will do this... it is a simple choice Jerkoff.. do you make their lives a little easier and make the lives of their fellow students a little easier...
No. That would be rewarding a religious group, which goes against the nature of a secular institution.
or do you go out of the way to be an ass....
Neither. I stamp a little 'denied' on the request. That doesn't mean I'm 'going out of my way', you insufferable idiot. Do you know what the term means?
If that was actually proposed, it would have a hairs breadth of passing... except their remains no pressing need for it to be accepted. Again, you lose. The real world is not a place where any request defaults to being accepted. Pass mental puberty, and maybe you'll get that, kid.
Oh really do you honesty think it would have... Why what gives you that clue... Nothing but your own insistence... If that had been proposed you might have agreed with it... maybe... but the official reason was Securlaism...
Yep. Because secular institutions don't give favored treatment to religious groups, no matter how hard you whine and bitch and moan.
Which meant any religious organisation or request would have been rejected... not your lieing bullshit what would be accepted.
One single religious group asked for something. Granting it would be favoring one religious group. That's against the nature of secularism. Suck it down, retard.
In anycase, it does not matter, the simple fact you have yet to address is this...
Nope, kid. You need to address the things I brought up before you can whine like this. Like actually constructing an analogy that works, instead of whining how it's a 'need'.
You claim the room being granted would be favourtism but cannot show how, other than to make up a religion...
No, retard. It's one religious group getting something no one else has. If you were of a positive IQ, this would be obvious. But you're a trolling peice of shit, so you don't..
show a REAL WORLD example of another religion that calls for daily prayer at set times during the day that might include when you are else where...
Why? It's one group asking for special treatment. That's favoritism. It's a religious group, so secularism is a viable reason to reject the favoritism.
Give another Religion that might have the same request as here... if you can great, you win and I concede assuming they have made the request and been rejected also...
It's a complete red herring.. But that's to be expected with you. You can't just get down to the brass tacks of it.
If you cannot then stop making up religions, stop acting as if you know what would have changed the peoples mind... and stop with the steaming pile of crap that is the favourtism argument you spew, which has absolutly no basis in reality expect your own fevered imagination.
You're a retard. I didn't make up the Cult of Bacchus.
Show the favoritism argument doesn't work. Stop these Darkstar-scale posts and just post a simple reason why it doens't work. Or go the fuck away you trolling pile of dogshit.
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