Hi new here want some help.

[Darth Wong]

These people are obviously imbeciles. Most likely they're around 15 years old, too.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Hello I'm new here been looking at some info here due to my friend and I bringing up ST vs SW.
I'm for SW
Well there is something else I started in aonther forum I am trying to back up my stuff i put on there and show where he is wrong. but its tough to show one of these STians down lol. oh yeah I am keeping it fed against emps.
here is the page of the thread if you would like to look. Also if you see any errors in my info can you please tell me?
Thanks
Tech^

Here, here, andhere.

oh I been wondering this how did the falcon escape from their radars in ESB? did it use some type ECM or some stealth way? but knowing slave 2 followed the falcon with out detection suggest they have the ability to do that in its own right.

Unable to recall anything about ECM, though. Sure it's reasonable to assume that smuggler ship like Falcon has ECM, but not sure whether they escaped Imperial Fleet in TESB because of the ECM.

Anyway why did you bring this particular topic? Is it because your opponent argue the Falcon escaping is due to inferior Star Wars sensors? Then tell him that the ISD inability to detect Falcon at such specific, partcular location, at that particular time, is NOT evidence of SW sensor's inferiority. It's possible that the ISD crew are focusing on long-range sensor at that time (they, after all, tried to find an escaping ship), or probably the sensor is not designed to search for that particular location (ergo: "blind spot". Note that inabilty to operate outside design parameter is NOT evidence of inferiority).

You can also point Trek sensor's blind spot like in TNG: Peak Performance where Riker was finding sensory blind spot on a Tholian vessel and hid within it during a battle simulator in the Academy.

Trek sensor also failed to track Roga Danar in TNG: The Hunted. In TNG: Cost of Living, E-D sensor failed to detect things that could be seen by naked eye; the parasites.

Good luck.

[Praxis]

The proven most effective weapon against ISDs is the A=Wing's Ion Cannon, or just a straight up kamikaze ramming. The enterprise uses phaser technology and proton torpedos, not ion-based weaponry, though a good ramming by one Enterprise with all the power re-routed to the shields should be more than enough.

The A-wing does not have ion-based weaponry.
Furthermore, asteroid impacts in TESB were from asteroids larger than the Defiant, at considerably high speeders, and continued impacting for TWO DAYS. The Enterprise would make a small ding.




Oh BTW, I saw the funniest comment. Some guy said Klingons = High Tech, and Stormtroopers = Low Tech. ROFL!

[Tech^salvager]

Praxis are you going to continue your story?

[Tribun]

Hm...maybe we can have tons of fun with these kiddies.....if they are insane enough to be lured to here.....

[Utah Jak]

Oh BTW, I saw the funniest comment. Some guy said Klingons = High Tech, and Stormtroopers = Low Tech. ROFL!

Is that guy dellusional? Klingons are high tech? (Ground units)

[Rogue 9]

Hm...maybe we can have tons of fun with these kiddies.....if they are insane enough to be lured to here.....

I was under the distinct impression that we don't do that.

[Tribun]

Hm...maybe we can have tons of fun with these kiddies.....if they are insane enough to be lured to here.....

I was under the distinct impression that we don't do that.

Pity.

Well, then let's see how things will go on in their board......

[StarshipTitanic]

And that would be a nitpick. The basic object of the globes have to do with shields and removing them degrade shield capacity.

Uh, no, once again. The globes have ZERO to do with shields. That's not a nitpick; that's a correction to the above.

And yet the book explicitly states that the globes (when I say globe I mean anything and everything attached to it) they relate to shield function. This is further supported through a variety of EU references.

Erm, where? I can't find anything but sensor references on the command tower pages.

The EU also thinks an SSD is 8km long.

[Ghost Rider]

Uh, no, once again. The globes have ZERO to do with shields. That's not a nitpick; that's a correction to the above.

And yet the book explicitly states that the globes (when I say globe I mean anything and everything attached to it) they relate to shield function. This is further supported through a variety of EU references.

Erm, where? I can't find anything but sensor references on the command tower pages.

The EU also thinks an SSD is 8km long.

Alyeska is refering to Executor command tower page, that they contain Local-area shield projectoir vanes.

[StarshipTitanic]

Alyeska is refering to Executor command tower page, that they contain Local-area shield projectoir vanes.

Those do nothing to corroborate his theory, which is what I asked about. I noticed the sheild vanes.

[Ghost Rider]

Alyeska is refering to Executor command tower page, that they contain Local-area shield projectoir vanes.

Those do nothing to corroborate his theory, which is what I asked about. I noticed the sheild vanes.

I understand...but that's the only thing on that page that even mentions shielding in concert with the domes.

[Rogue 9]

Hm...maybe we can have tons of fun with these kiddies.....if they are insane enough to be lured to here.....

I was under the distinct impression that we don't do that.

Pity.

Well, then let's see how things will go on in their board......

I'd be up for that. It's just that last time someone mentioned luring trolls here, Sceptre said the bannings would start with the person who brought them. *Shrug*

[Praxis]

Why not make a "trolls" section and try to lure them there?

Or try to lure the trolls to the HoS for a debate? ;

[Darth Servo]

I jumped in the debate there and have mostly met a bunch of WOI. Basically one guy seriously thinks that Alexander the Great could beat modern day U.S. soldiers just by being a good enough strategist.

[Stark]

I thought it was great, actually; it was fun while they took cases out of context and made fun of wars, but as soon as someone pointed out the fallatious nature of their reasoning, they're all 'nerds' with 'no lives' that should 'fuck off'. Apparently, being a ST fanwhore isn't nerdy, but knowing how logic works is.

[Alyeska]

Alyeska is refering to Executor command tower page, that they contain Local-area shield projectoir vanes.

Those do nothing to corroborate his theory, which is what I asked about. I noticed the sheild vanes.

What it does it point out that the domes do infact have to do with shielf function and that destroying them will degrade shield function.

[Mad]

What it does it point out that the domes do infact have to do with shielf function and that destroying them will degrade shield function.

The shield degredation isn't necesarilly that great, though. In RotJ, an X-wing was able to blast through weakened shields on a bridge tower with 3 laser blasts, yet immediately after that, a bridge globe was struck by a torpedo and appeared to survive with no damage. This implies that shield projectors other than the globe vanes were protecting the bridge at that time. Thus, depending on the shield configuration at the time, blasting away those particular projectors may not have much effect on the ship as a whole.

[Alyeska]

Ah, but by destroying the domes you will degrade shield function around the bridge as well as knocking out sensors. That will have a detrimental affect on the ISD.

[Mad]

Ah, but by destroying the domes you will degrade shield function around the bridge as well as knocking out sensors. That will have a detrimental affect on the ISD.

Of course, destroying anything on the ISD is going to have some kind of detrimental effect on it...

And knocking out the globes won't completely take out sensors, as those are not the only sensors on board ISDs. (For ships like Executor, there are also many more globes, so plenty of extra sensors of the same kind all over the hull that will still be fully operational.)

[Tech^salvager]

Seems he keeps changing the variables. Crapin dang it.

[Tech^salvager]

Thanks Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman

[Praxis]

What it does it point out that the domes do infact have to do with shielf function and that destroying them will degrade shield function.

The shield degredation isn't necesarilly that great, though. In RotJ, an X-wing was able to blast through weakened shields on a bridge tower with 3 laser blasts, yet immediately after that, a bridge globe was struck by a torpedo and appeared to survive with no damage. This implies that shield projectors other than the globe vanes were protecting the bridge at that time. Thus, depending on the shield configuration at the time, blasting away those particular projectors may not have much effect on the ship as a whole.

Or the shield was failing. In the X-wing books we see that when the shields fail, sometimes they'll start opening gaps just before the whole thing collapses. (ref: Bacta War, the Interdictor Cruiser in the Alderaan debris field)

[Praxis]

This is incredibly fun

This guy has the worst grasp of military tactics, logic, and suspension of disbelief I've EVER seen in any debate I've ever been in. Well, there was one guy that came close...but he's still pretty bad

He thinks its all about the characters. He's using the O.J. Simpson defense, basicly, there must be some scenario in which trek wins...and that Alexander the Great could take out a modern day platoon with bows and arrows and swords, and that Picard would find some way to take out a Death Star.

[Isolder74]

Hello I'm new here been looking at some info here due to my friend and I bringing up ST vs SW.
I'm for SW
Well there is something else I started in aonther forum I am trying to back up my stuff i put on there and show where he is wrong. but its tough to show one of these STians down lol. oh yeah I am keeping it fed against emps.
here is the page of the thread if you would like to look. Also if you see any errors in my info can you please tell me?
Thanks
Tech^

Here, here, andhere.

oh I been wondering this how did the falcon escape from their radars in ESB? did it use some type ECM or some stealth way? but knowing slave 2 followed the falcon with out detection suggest they have the ability to do that in its own right.

Unable to recall anything about ECM, though. Sure it's reasonable to assume that smuggler ship like Falcon has ECM, but not sure whether they escaped Imperial Fleet in TESB because of the ECM.

Anyway why did you bring this particular topic? Is it because your opponent argue the Falcon escaping is due to inferior Star Wars sensors? Then tell him that the ISD inability to detect Falcon at such specific, partcular location, at that particular time, is NOT evidence of SW sensor's inferiority. It's possible that the ISD crew are focusing on long-range sensor at that time (they, after all, tried to find an escaping ship), or probably the sensor is not designed to search for that particular location (ergo: "blind spot". Note that inabilty to operate outside design parameter is NOT evidence of inferiority).

You can also point Trek sensor's blind spot like in TNG: Peak Performance where Riker was finding sensory blind spot on a Tholian vessel and hid within it during a battle simulator in the Academy.

Trek sensor also failed to track Roga Danar in TNG: The Hunted. In TNG: Cost of Living, E-D sensor failed to detect things that could be seen by naked eye; the parasites.

Good luck.

The Falcon does have ECM.

Chewie Jam its transmissions

So we know that a scratch built, pile of jummk smuggler ship has jammers capable of jamming the transmissions, And safe to assume sensors, of a Military grade Tie sensor array. Do they now want to tell us that An Imperial Star Destroyer the pride of the imperial navy does not have better or equivilent capabilities!

The Death Star shows ECM in the battle of Yavin which is enough to force the pilots to use visual scanning to spot incoming fighters.

How could they be jamming us if they don't know we were coming?

There is plenty of reasons showing that Star Wars is rife with Electronic Warfare.