Party Quebecois Sovergnty Obsession

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-10-19 07:30am

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-10-19 07:46am

One more step toward the seperation of Quebec, the dissolution of Canada, and the annexation of the English-speaking provinces into the Great American Empire.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2004-10-19 08:02am

Lessee, if Quebec secedes, the rest of Canada won't miss too much, will they?

All their important cities are like in Ontario or something, right?

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-10-19 09:12am

Shinova wrote:Lessee, if Quebec secedes, the rest of Canada won't miss too much, will they?

All their important cities are like in Ontario or something, right?

Montreal, Quebec City are major cities in Quebec. Also quite a bit of Canada's industrial capacity is in Quebec. I would dare say that Canada is absolutely dependant on both Ontario and Quebec. Also, if Quebec were to secede the Maritime Provinces would be completely cut off from the rest of Canada. Admission to the Union would likely result with the Maritimes being to weak to stand on their own economicaly.

The Dude · Post by **The Dude** » 2004-10-19 09:32am

I hope they keep bleatng on about it; public support for separation is very low (even a minority of francophones are now separatist) - and if one thing can cost the PQ the next provincial election, it's the promise of another referendum.

Axis Kast · Post by **Axis Kast** » 2004-10-19 09:50am

It's not the PQ I'd be worried about; as of 2003, they're no longer in power in Quebec.

It's the federal party, the BQ, or Bloc Quebecois - which is mulling over the possibility of its role in a coalition government - that you need to be more worried about.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-10-19 10:19am

The problem is the Quebec people, who obviously think that this whining, mewling, crybaby spoiled-brat temper-tantrum behaviour of theirs is the appropriate way to interact with the rest of the country or they wouldn't vote in these BQ shitheads in every federal election.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-10-19 10:53am

How would Quebec separation go down, anyway? Would Quebec just say fuck y'all and run off, assuming none of the national debt?

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2004-10-19 11:02am

HemlockGrey wrote:One more step toward the seperation of Quebec, the dissolution of Canada, and the annexation of the English-speaking provinces into the Great American Empire.

and wouldnt that be a sweet map?

Bertie Wooster · Post by **Bertie Wooster** » 2004-10-19 12:04pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:
HemlockGrey wrote:One more step toward the seperation of Quebec, the dissolution of Canada, and the annexation of the English-speaking provinces into the Great American Empire.
and wouldnt that be a sweet map?

Not for the GOP.

If you added Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia, Ontario, Prince Edward Island, and Saskatchewan to the U.S. right now, Kerry would be greatly leading in the polls, and the Democrats would be on their way to having a great majority in Congress.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2004-10-19 12:51pm

Joe wrote:How would Quebec separation go down, anyway? Would Quebec just say fuck y'all and run off, assuming none of the national debt?

Worse I think. I remember something like an initial 10 billion dollar transfer payment as one of the ideas being thrown around.

Like wtf.

Brian

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2004-10-19 12:52pm

Bertie Wooster wrote:
Not for the GOP.

If you added Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia, Ontario, Prince Edward Island, and Saskatchewan to the U.S. right now, Kerry would be greatly leading in the polls, and the Democrats would be on their way to having a great majority in Congress.

Don't forget Nunavut! How many electorial votes would each province have, are the electorial votes based on population?

Brian

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-10-19 01:18pm

Bertie Wooster wrote:If you added Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia, Ontario, Prince Edward Island, and Saskatchewan to the U.S. right now, Kerry would be greatly leading in the polls, and the Democrats would be on their way to having a great majority in Congress.

You can count Alberta (aka Texas North) out of that list: They'd probably vote Republican. BC and maybe Saskatchewan would probably vote for Nader...

The Dude · Post by **The Dude** » 2004-10-19 01:34pm

brianeyci wrote:Don't forget Nunavut! How many electorial votes would each province have, are the electorial votes based on population?

Brian

Well, AFAIK electoral votes are based on House and Senate seats, and the former are in turn based on population, for a minimum of three per state (1 rep + 2 senate).

It works out to about 2 electoral votes per million, so Canada (minus Quebec) would get something like 45-50 electoral votes total, depending on how many states it was formed into.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-10-19 01:50pm

To step in and provide some manner of comic relief, a silver lining in this dark cloud if you will (and hopefully not offend the Canadian S.D.Neters):

But for me you know, Quebec keeps wanting to break away from Canada, but still keep their currency. What about that? It's like a kid a moving out the house, but ah, I would still like to get money. F*** off, you!

...and...

Are you a separatist? Maybe you should try separating yourself from doughnuts first.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2004-10-19 02:34pm

thats why I want to annex canada. it will balance the south.

Aeolus · Post by **Aeolus** » 2004-10-19 02:39pm

brianeyci wrote:
Bertie Wooster wrote:
Not for the GOP.

If you added Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia, Ontario, Prince Edward Island, and Saskatchewan to the U.S. right now, Kerry would be greatly leading in the polls, and the Democrats would be on their way to having a great majority in Congress.
Don't forget Nunavut! How many electorial votes would each province have, are the electorial votes based on population?

Brian

It's highly unlikely Nunavut would be granted statehood...It would simply be a territory. I dont think its big enough (population wise) to be a state

Bertie Wooster · Post by **Bertie Wooster** » 2004-10-19 02:45pm

I didn't include the three territories in my list. Maybe they could be combined into a larger state, but i imagine they'd yield electoral results similar to Alaska.

Aeolus · Post by **Aeolus** » 2004-10-19 02:47pm

Bertie Wooster wrote:I didn't include the three territories in my list. Maybe they could be combined into a larger state, but i imagine they'd yield electoral results similar to Alaska.

One would assume.

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2004-10-19 06:07pm

Once Canada has been assimilated into the US, you know what it's time for...

Operation Quebecois Freedom!

As in, free to be deported to France after our combined nation steamrolls over them!

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-10-19 08:51pm

What pisses me off is lots of Quebecois still think PQ sovereignty is a good idea,and that we need the PQ

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2004-10-20 01:23am

As a decendent of General Wolfe, the man who defeated French ambition in Canada, I would like to announce my canidacy to lead the supression of French stupidity in Canada.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2004-10-20 01:35am

brianeyci wrote:
Bertie Wooster wrote:
Not for the GOP.

If you added Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia, Ontario, Prince Edward Island, and Saskatchewan to the U.S. right now, Kerry would be greatly leading in the polls, and the Democrats would be on their way to having a great majority in Congress.
Don't forget Nunavut! How many electorial votes would each province have, are the electorial votes based on population?

Brian

A minimum of three, but after the first two you get one for every 650,000 people you have. Maritimes would probably be "bundled" for their low population and to minimize their influence.

And yes, it would be a good map. Maybe once we get past "magic 50" we'll finally let Puerto Rico, Guam, and American Samoa in.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2004-10-20 02:10am

CaptainChewbacca wrote:
brianeyci wrote:
Bertie Wooster wrote:
Not for the GOP.

If you added Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia, Ontario, Prince Edward Island, and Saskatchewan to the U.S. right now, Kerry would be greatly leading in the polls, and the Democrats would be on their way to having a great majority in Congress.
Don't forget Nunavut! How many electorial votes would each province have, are the electorial votes based on population?

Brian
A minimum of three, but after the first two you get one for every 650,000 people you have. Maritimes would probably be "bundled" for their low population and to minimize their influence.

And yes, it would be a good map. Maybe once we get past "magic 50" we'll finally let Puerto Rico, Guam, and American Samoa in.

Don't forget the US Virgin Islands. Which leads to the question...what do you call someone from the USVI?

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-10-20 02:11am

As far as I can tell, the Quebecois basically have all of the negative aspects of the French, minus the humbling historical experiences of the world wars, plus a lot of things that are bad about Americans. Would I be wrong in generalizing them as the worst product of the era of colonialism?