By CNN Moscow Bureau Chief Jill Dougherty Monday, October 18, 2004 Posted: 7:08 AM EDT (1108 GMT)
MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin says terrorist attacks in Iraq are aimed at preventing the re-election of U.S. President George W. Bush and that a Bush defeat "could lead to the spread of terrorism to other parts of the world."
Putin, speaking Central Asian Cooperation Organization summit in Tajikistan Monday, made his most overt comments of support so far for the re-election of Bush for a second term.
"Any unbiased observer understands that attacks of international terrorist organizations in Iraq, especially nowadays, are targeted not only and not so much against the international coalition as against President Bush," Putin said.
"International terrorists have set as their goal inflicting the maximum damage to Bush, to prevent his election to a second term.
"If they succeed in doing that, they will celebrate a victory over America and over the entire anti-terror coalition," Putin said.
"In that case, this would give an additional impulse to international terrorists and to their activities, and could lead to the spread of terrorism to other parts of the world."
Putin noted that American voters will not decide the election just on Iraq.
"Because of this we must take a realistic approach and be prepared for any development of events," he said. "We respect any choice the American people will make."
President Putin made it clear Russia remained opposed to the war in Iraq.
"Today, our views on that differ from the views of President Bush," he said.
A bit surprising considering Russia's opposition to the Iraq war, but then, Bush and Putin are so similar in some of their policies it isn't funny...
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Not surprising in the least. Its not all about Iraq, you know. Bush gave Putin the freedom to do whatever he wants in regards to Chechnya (and that includes using the Constitution as his personal toilet paper). No wonder Putin is kissing his ass.
Right...and we should listen to Putin as much as we should listen to the Brits who mailed the thousands of letters advising Ohio people to support Kerry. God...can everyone just go back to their silent mode and let us Americans fuck ourselves up by ourselves in this crazed fuck up election please?
That rant aside, why should I listen to Putin when he didn't even want to help with Iraq in the first place? I recall him being one of the big three who were majorly opposed to the Iraq invasion and suddenly. I see this as nothing but mere ruses to mask his true purposes, a free reign to do what he wants in Russia.
fgalkin wrote:Not surprising in the least. Its not all about Iraq, you know. Bush gave Putin the freedom to do whatever he wants in regards to Chechnya (and that includes using the Constitution as his personal toilet paper). No wonder Putin is kissing his ass.
Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin
Perhaps you choose to ignore the fact that Bush has publicly denounced Putin's recent actions.
What a surprise. Putin, the most dictatorial ruler in the industrialized world, endorses Bush. Guess it takes a fascist to know a fascist.
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Does this have any implication on any voting group? The russians? Anyone? Or is it more like a high-profile platform endorsement?
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Iceberg wrote:What a surprise. Putin, the most dictatorial ruler in the industrialized world, endorses Bush. Guess it takes a fascist to know a fascist.
And perhaps you also choose to ignore Bush's denouncing of his current actions. Christ.
Iceberg wrote:What a surprise. Putin, the most dictatorial ruler in the industrialized world, endorses Bush. Guess it takes a fascist to know a fascist.
And perhaps you also choose to ignore Bush's denouncing of his current actions. Christ.
You wouldn't be a Bushite if you didn't have the automatic Whiny Reaction (tm) to any given cheap shot on President Shrub.
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Iceberg wrote:What a surprise. Putin, the most dictatorial ruler in the industrialized world, endorses Bush. Guess it takes a fascist to know a fascist.
And perhaps you also choose to ignore Bush's denouncing of his current actions. Christ.
You wouldn't be a Bushite if you didn't have the automatic Whiny Reaction (tm) to any given cheap shot on President Shrub.
You wouldn't be a Kerryite if you could resist making cheap shots at the President.
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You wouldn't be a Kerryite if you could resist making cheap shots at the President.
In fairness to Kerryites, most aren't as bad as Mark. Mark is just a stilted lover who still longs to hear the siren call of YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH in his sleep, driving him on into the pool of Kool-aid.
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Iceberg wrote:What a surprise. Putin, the most dictatorial ruler in the industrialized world, endorses Bush. Guess it takes a fascist to know a fascist.
you wouldn't believe how embarrassed I feel when folks who fought in WWII start talkin about politics around me at work...
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:In fairness to Kerryites, most aren't as bad as Mark. Mark is just a stilted lover who still longs to hear the siren call of YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH in his sleep, driving him on into the pool of Kool-aid.
Shut up you goddamn Kryptonite!
Oh wait, thats what Superman doesn't like. Oh well, its still shows as much political reasoning as the rest of these posts.
Talon Karde wrote:Perhaps you choose to ignore the fact that Bush has publicly denounced Putin's recent actions.
Yeah, his recent actions. Too bad Putin hasn't been just wiping out Russia's parlimentary power. Bush has been silent on Putin's actions against free press for example, not to mention Bush giving Putin a green light in Chechnya.
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Talon Karde wrote:Perhaps you choose to ignore the fact that Bush has publicly denounced Putin's recent actions.
Yeah, his recent actions. Too bad Putin hasn't been just wiping out Russia's parlimentary power. Bush has been silent on Putin's actions against free press for example, not to mention Bush giving Putin a green light in Chechnya.
Just curious... what do you believe Putin should be allowed or disallowed to do in Chechnya? After all, terrorists from there have attacked his people.
Talon Karrde wrote:Just curious... what do you believe Putin should be allowed or disallowed to do in Chechnya? After all, terrorists from there have attacked his people.
Indeed they have. Does this give him free reign to declare martial law in Chechnya? Did the US have the right to declare martial law and suspend individual rights in Oaklahoma after the Oaklahoma City bombing?
fgalkin wrote:Not surprising in the least. Its not all about Iraq, you know. Bush gave Putin the freedom to do whatever he wants in regards to Chechnya (and that includes using the Constitution as his personal toilet paper). No wonder Putin is kissing his ass.
Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin
Perhaps you choose to ignore the fact that Bush has publicly denounced Putin's recent actions.
Really? Then you'll provide a source for it, since I can't find a fucking thing about it.
Unless you mean the debates. That was not a denouncement, that was a verbal version of falling on his knees, scuking Putin's dick and asking "more please".
Besides, we're talking about Putin's assraping of the constitution. Where was Bush when Putin crushed all independent media in Russia? Where was Bush when Putin was going after the oligarchs? (and before you say anything, yes they were bad and all, but Putin went after them because they were the only people in the nation besides him who had power). Where was Bush when Putin made his only real opponent in the election "disappear" for a week shortly before the election, only to return and announce his withdrawal from the race, and, subsequently left politics and disappeared from the public eye?
Talon Karrde wrote:Just curious... what do you believe Putin should be allowed or disallowed to do in Chechnya? After all, terrorists from there have attacked his people.
Indeed they have. Does this give him free reign to declare martial law in Chechnya? Did the US have the right to declare martial law and suspend individual rights in Oaklahoma after the Oaklahoma City bombing?
False analogy. The Oklahoma City bombing did not invlove a large separatist movement. Nor did it announce its secession.
Did Lincoln have the right to declare martial law and suspend individual rights in the South after the attack on Fort Sumter?
fgalkin wrote:
False analogy. The Oklahoma City bombing did not invlove a large separatist movement. Nor did it announce its secession.
The Chechnyan government that is loyal to Moscow is still in place, which makes any secession movement a civil uprising no different from the domestic terrorists the US has seen. It may be more widespread, but that is all.
Did Lincoln have the right to declare martial law and suspend individual rights in the South after the attack on Fort Sumter?
The South did not have a functioning government that was loyal to the North and they made a collective decision to seceed from the Union. The same cannot be said of Chechnya; those in the region are still Russian citizens and Putin can't have this both ways.
fgalkin wrote:
Really? Then you'll provide a source for it, since I can't find a fucking thing about it.
Immediately after Putin's announcement about tightening his grip, several members of the Bush cabinet claimed they were "concerned" over what was happening in Russia.
fgalkin wrote:
Really? Then you'll provide a source for it, since I can't find a fucking thing about it.
Immediately after Putin's announcement about tightening his grip, several members of the Bush cabinet claimed they were "concerned" over what was happening in Russia.
...which != public denoucement.
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fgalkin wrote:
False analogy. The Oklahoma City bombing did not invlove a large separatist movement. Nor did it announce its secession.
The Chechnyan government that is loyal to Moscow is still in place, which makes any secession movement a civil uprising no different from the domestic terrorists the US has seen. It may be more widespread, but that is all.
That was not the case when the first Chechen war began. Which is where this whole deal begins. There is a pro-Moscow government in place now, but that came as a result of 10 years of fighting
Did Lincoln have the right to declare martial law and suspend individual rights in the South after the attack on Fort Sumter?
The South did not have a functioning government that was loyal to the North and they made a collective decision to seceed from the Union. The same cannot be said of Chechnya; those in the region are still Russian citizens and Putin can't have this both ways.
Like I said, Russian troops have been in Chechnya for 10 years as of the Beslan attacks. The war was going on, so you can't make a comparison between that and the Oklahoma City bombing.
fgalkin wrote:
Really? Then you'll provide a source for it, since I can't find a fucking thing about it.
Immediately after Putin's announcement about tightening his grip, several members of the Bush cabinet claimed they were "concerned" over what was happening in Russia.
