Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote:[
I know. Which is what I meant by soft-soaping. As for that gang, I don't understand it. They seem more interested in saying "It ain't 17.6" than matching up with their own numbers (12.8 or
anymore. It seems like they aren't even pro-WEG anymore. They are just pure anti-Saxton.
at least some are. I suspect that they're either allying with or using some of those who "defend" the EU as well as enlisting whatever aid they can get from the disinterested masses in their crusade against The Saxton. We already know they aren't above spin doctoring and manipulation already to achieve their ends.
Well, we can see how much debris there was and can estimate it. if the debris is flying to Endor, it's screwed.
Sort of, but the only people who will accept that are those with some measure of understanding of the methodology. Which in most cases means only those already convinced of it.
You see "They deflected it away from their team" and think "They got it all the way off the moon?"
That's one way it can be interpreted, yes. And technically they don't have to deflect it from the entire moon, just hte portion facing the Death Star.
As I said, its not specific enough to encourage one defintion over another, at least not without a healthy does of nitpicking on either side.
I didn't say it was concrete. I said it definitely didn't say the moon, or even most of it was spared. Lower limit thinking in fact says that they spared that 10 or so km radius circle that we can see, and that's it.
It doesn't give ANY indication of what is spared. You can interpret it to mean "a small area", but that doesnt really help argue for the Holocaust any more than it argues against it, does it?
Yup, if it was marginal, I doubt Saxton would have screamed.
So where did all the energy go? We're talking something on the order of at LEAST e28 to e30 joules of energy.. literally many orders of magnitude more energy than is needed to render the planet uninhabitable. If the Rebel fleet can only deflect a tiny portion of the mass, that also means they can only deflect a tiny portion of the energy, too. Which in that case means that the rest that was directed at the planet, hit the planet.
So what you are basically saying is that we both agree the planet is screwed, just that realistically, you think the planet should have been screwed even faster.
Yes, its a matter of degree. I can buy that the planet would be doomed due to "long term" consequences than I can to the short term, because insofar as I can tell, the short term consequences should render the long term consequences meaningless. As I said before, all that energy has to go somewhere, don't you think?
You may have a point there. I'd have to think about this a little to try and come up with something (that at least a small region was reasonably spared for a few hours is G-canon, and we have to make an effort to G-canon).
Its not that difficult, I think. The ITW book mentions a repulsor being present on the moon prior to the DS2's own repulsors being active. Its possible they slowed or stopped the debris long enough to prevent an immediately fatal impact (by my estimates, that given the distance and velocity indicated, the debris should have reached the planet just about when Han and Leia were kissing, or a bit after.) Its possible or even probable that this devicee was not destroyed when the shield generator was (the ITW book says that complex was 70 km in diamater - the blast was clearly not destructive enough to take it ALL out, since Han could be less than 100 meters away without getting fried by the blast.)
Alternately, if the planet was covered by an entire "planetary shield" network like the ROTJ novel indicates, we might consider that the shield generator complex they knocked out was the primary, but that there was at least one backup and the Rebels managed to activate that and partially screen the planet from the immediate consequences.
Either way would avert the short term consequences, but not the long term ones.
As a side benefit, by delaying the "extinction event" thing, one can also suggest that the Rebels might have been able to evacuate most of the Ewoks off the planet (or at least a substantial number than a few hundred.) Which might definitely turn aside alot of the resistance to the Endor Holocaust, since as I've tended to observe, most people object because they don't think the Rebels would be that "evil" or do nothing to save the Ewoks. And all that really matters is what happens to the planet itself.
