Weeks out of prison, attempts to rape 2yr old

The_Last_Rebel · Post by **The_Last_Rebel** » 2004-10-22 08:08pm

We live in such a pussy-whipped society.

If there was any real justice in this world, he, along with all the other rapists and murderers, would be impaled on a stake out on the road. It would be a humiliating and painful way to die, and they deserve every bit of it. And I gaurantee you, it would make a helluva deterrent for anyone else considering commiting a capital crime...

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-10-22 08:14pm

Darth Wong wrote:Don't cut off his penis ... cut off his arms.

I'm pretty sure that falls under "cruel or unusual". I say just execute him, in a humane and usual manner.

Korvan · Post by **Korvan** » 2004-10-22 08:14pm

A quick google search seems to indicate that chemical casteration is extremely effective in treating sex offenders. The chance to reoffend can drop from 80% to around 3%. I'd say that casteration is in the best interest of both society and the offender.

I would go as far to say that chemical casteration should be a mandatory condition for release for serious sex offenders.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-10-22 08:15pm

The_Last_Rebel wrote:We live in such a pussy-whipped society.

If there was any real justice in this world, he, along with all the other rapists and murderers, would be impaled on a stake out on the road. It would be a humiliating and painful way to die, and they deserve every bit of it. And I gaurantee you, it would make a helluva deterrent for anyone else considering commiting a capital crime...

And a helluva smell....

No need to make the punishment itself vicious, we alread have the death penalty. What we need is it to be carried out against these types of people. Lethal injection is still just as fatal as being impaled by a stake.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2004-10-22 08:21pm

The_Last_Rebel wrote: If there was any real justice in this world, he, along with all the other rapists and murderers, would be impaled on a stake out on the road. It would be a humiliating and painful way to die, and they deserve every bit of it. And I gaurantee you, it would make a helluva deterrent for anyone else considering commiting a capital crime...

AFAIK there are no studies that provide evidence that capital punishment is a helluva deterrent for anybody considering a capital crime.

why would heads on stakes be?

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2004-10-22 11:54pm

Because "capital punishment" is a dry and sterile thing discussed on television and the internet, while the "fucking head on a pike in the road" is a bit more... vivid.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2004-10-23 12:27am

Considering that this guy failed to carry out his objective both times...he really sucks at raping.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-10-23 12:43am

fgalkin wrote:
brianeyci wrote:*Snip*
Brian
Not an eye for an eye or an arm for an eye. If we cut of his arms, or his testicles, he would not be able to rape again. We can then release him, and not spend money on tracking him down for the rest of his life.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Not true, he can still use objects. Rape isnt about sex, it is about control. They dont have to get off physicallyy to get pff psychologically. Therefore, they must die.

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2004-10-23 12:58am

I sitll think a Degale to the temple is the most effective deterrent for this kind of thing.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2004-10-23 01:38am

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
fgalkin wrote:
brianeyci wrote:*Snip*
Brian
Not an eye for an eye or an arm for an eye. If we cut of his arms, or his testicles, he would not be able to rape again. We can then release him, and not spend money on tracking him down for the rest of his life.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin
Not true, he can still use objects. Rape isnt about sex, it is about control. They dont have to get off physicallyy to get pff psychologically. Therefore, they must die.

Rape very much about sex. if it wasn't, how would you explain date rape? Woman says "no", guy doesn't take no for an answer. Did he just go from wanting sex to wanting control in a second?

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2004-10-24 06:48pm

The_Last_Rebel wrote:We live in such a pussy-whipped society.

I'd thank you not to blame violent crime on women.

The Last Rebel wrote:If there was any real justice in this world, he, along with all the other rapists and murderers, would be impaled on a stake out on the road. It would be a humiliating and painful way to die, and they deserve every bit of it. And I gaurantee you, it would make a helluva deterrent for anyone else considering commiting a capital crime...

Kamakazie Sith wrote:No need to make the punishment itself vicious, we alread have the death penalty. What we need is it to be carried out against these types of people. Lethal injection is still just as fatal as being impaled by a stake.

Think things through, people. If you give the same penalty for rape as you do for murder, you will merely encourage rapists to kill their victims. You really think being raped is as bad as being killed?

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-10-24 07:00pm

InnerBrat wrote:
Think things through, people. If you give the same penalty for rape as you do for murder, you will merely encourage rapists to kill their victims. You really think being raped is as bad as being killed?

How will the possibility of being executed encourage someone to kill their victim?

Plekhanov · Post by **Plekhanov** » 2004-10-24 07:32pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
InnerBrat wrote:
Think things through, people. If you give the same penalty for rape as you do for murder, you will merely encourage rapists to kill their victims. You really think being raped is as bad as being killed?
How will the possibility of being executed encourage someone to kill their victim?

Think about a second if you get the death sentence for rape then why not kill the victim so there are no witnesses? If they catch and convict you it makes no difference anyway what are they going to do execute you twice?

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-10-24 07:50pm

Plekhanov wrote: Think about a second if you get the death sentence for rape then why not kill the victim so there are no witnesses? If they catch and convict you it makes no difference anyway what are they going to do execute you twice?

Why not kill the victim now and not go to prison at all?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-10-24 07:51pm

Well, if you can't execute them because of the reasons IB has stated and you can't just lock them up because it costs and ends in released ex-cons that reoffend anyway, and if mutilating is cruel and unusual, then what the hell can we do? Fling them into the sun? Fine them? There are only so many actions and then there's the social outbursts that come with those actions whether we're too lenient or too harsh.

I'm about all out of ideas other than longer sentences and some sort of corrective psychotherapy, but I could see a list of problems with those arise in the near future too. You just can't rid the human mind of violence and it will always be in society, so there has to be some solution here.

Plekhanov · Post by **Plekhanov** » 2004-10-24 08:13pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Plekhanov wrote: Think about a second if you get the death sentence for rape then why not kill the victim so there are no witnesses? If they catch and convict you it makes no difference anyway what are they going to do execute you twice?
Why not kill the victim now and not go to prison at all?

That’s rather the point if you make the penalties for rape and murder or anything else and murder the same then you are effectively encouraging rapists or whatever to kill any witnesses to minimise their chances of getting caught and convicted. Because if they do get convicted for rape or whatever they are already facing the maximum possible penalty anyway.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2004-10-24 09:58pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:Well, if you can't execute them because of the reasons IB has stated and you can't just lock them up because it costs and ends in released ex-cons that reoffend anyway, and if mutilating is cruel and unusual, then what the hell can we do? Fling them into the sun? Fine them? There are only so many actions and then there's the social outbursts that come with those actions whether we're too lenient or too harsh.

I'm about all out of ideas other than longer sentences and some sort of corrective psychotherapy, but I could see a list of problems with those arise in the near future too. You just can't rid the human mind of violence and it will always be in society, so there has to be some solution here.

Like I said, forced sterilization should help. That, or some kind of testosterone-supressing therapy.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2004-10-24 10:07pm

fgalkin wrote: Like I said, forced sterilization should help. That, or some kind of testosterone-supressing therapy.

Chemical castration, in the form of an injection that needs to be done every IIRC two weeks, is often a requirement for rapists to get parole. However it doesn't last if the injection are stopped, and they generally are after a few years or even less then that.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-10-24 10:09pm

InnerBrat wrote:Think things through, people. If you give the same penalty for rape as you do for murder, you will merely encourage rapists to kill their victims.

Rape used to be a capital crime in many parts of the United States. It should be reinstated as one, IMHO.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2004-10-24 10:10pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
fgalkin wrote: Like I said, forced sterilization should help. That, or some kind of testosterone-supressing therapy.
Chemical castration, in the form of an injection that needs to be done every IIRC two weeks, is often a requirement for rapists to get parole. However it doesn't last if the injection are stopped, and they generally are after a few years or even less then that.

What about a physical castration, then? Its cheaper, is only done once, and has the benefit of removing the rapist's genes from the gene pool.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Post by **fgalkin** » 2004-10-24 10:12pm

MKSheppard wrote:
InnerBrat wrote:Think things through, people. If you give the same penalty for rape as you do for murder, you will merely encourage rapists to kill their victims.
Rape used to be a capital crime in many parts of the United States. It should be reinstated as one, IMHO.

Did you read what she said? If you make rape a capital crime, it would only encourage the rapists to murder their victims, because the punishment is the same, but the chances of capture are much less for murder.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2004-10-24 10:21pm

fgalkin wrote: What about a physical castration, then? Its cheaper, is only done once, and has the benefit of removing the rapist's genes from the gene pool.

Well I'm fine with that. But it will never happen.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-10-24 10:31pm

fgalkin wrote:Did you read what she said? If you make rape a capital crime, it would only encourage the rapists to murder their victims, because the punishment is the same, but the chances of capture are much less for murder.

Then where was the huge epidemic of rapes/murders prior to removing
capital punishment as a punishment for rape?

Plekhanov · Post by **Plekhanov** » 2004-10-24 11:45pm

MKSheppard wrote:
fgalkin wrote:Did you read what she said? If you make rape a capital crime, it would only encourage the rapists to murder their victims, because the punishment is the same, but the chances of capture are much less for murder.
Then where was the huge epidemic of rapes/murders prior to removing
capital punishment as a punishment for rape?

As far as I'm aware rape was only really a capital crime in the US if you were a black man suspected of raping a white woman (1930-67 a mere 455 rapists were executed in the US 90% of them black), this being the case you’re not going to see this 'huge spike' you so simplistically expect to see because most rapist knew that in the fucked up misogynistic judicial system they had back then (and which you still largely have) the chances of most getting convicted at all never mind executed were miniscule.

Just out of interest Shep, do you propose the chair for the all rapists including the scumbag date rapists and drink spikers commit the vast majority of sexual assaults and who very rarely get convicted or is it just the stereotyped violent stranger rapists?

If you aren’t proposing it for all rapists why not? If you are proposing it for all rapists then aren’t you the least bit worried that no jury anywhere will convict a date rapist on the word of the victim knowing that they’ll be sending a man to his death.

Does it not concern you that your half assed, knee jerk proposal would not only encourage violent rapists to murder their victims but also create a system in which it would be even harder than it currently is to convict date rapists (who already know that the system is stacked in their favour). Your ‘humble’ proposal has now positives what so ever other than sating your blood lust whilst it would harm the very victims you claim to be concerned for I suggest you go away and actually try thinking something through for once.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2004-10-24 11:54pm

Plekhanov wrote: As far as I'm aware rape was only really a capital crime in the US if you were a black man suspected of raping a white woman (1930-67 a mere 455 rapists were executed in the US 90% of them black), this being the case you’re not going to see this 'huge spike' you so simplistically expect to see because most rapist knew that in the fucked up misogynistic judicial system they had back then (and which you still largely have) the chances of most getting convicted at all never mind executed were miniscule.

Just out of interest Shep, do you propose the chair for the all rapists including the scumbag date rapists and drink spikers commit the vast majority of sexual assaults and who very rarely get convicted or is it just the stereotyped violent stranger rapists?

If you aren’t proposing it for all rapists why not? If you are proposing it for all rapists then aren’t you the least bit worried that no jury anywhere will convict a date rapist on the word of the victim knowing that they’ll be sending a man to his death.

Does it not concern you that your half assed, knee jerk proposal would not only encourage violent rapists to murder their victims but also create a system in which it would be even harder than it currently is to convict date rapists (who already know that the system is stacked in their favour). Your ‘humble’ proposal has now positives what so ever other than sating your blood lust whilst it would harm the very victims you claim to be concerned for I suggest you go away and actually try thinking something through for once.

You entire post is based around the flawed logic that if there is a death penalty for rape, then it's either convict and kill them or let them walk free. That isn't the case for US states with the death penalty for murder and it need not be the case for rape if the law was changed. If their was a death penalty then it would probuabbly be an boom to convictions as alot of people would pled guility for life in prision rather then risk a trial and death.