Borg/Species 8472/Empire Debate

[Ghost Rider]

So are to compare pointless stats(Who cares...you've given no mention of how much power output a Cube Laser is or the asorbation capacity of their shield strength is, nor have you tried to...but the plasma thing was funny, given that most of the Trekkie morons at GFaqs do not even try something that stupid), and whomever comes up with the most pointless wins?

Well sir, thank you for the large amount of whatever you have brought to us...this puts you no further than before, and you have put a variety of regs to still think of you are less than the ass of an ass.

[Sovereign]

Variable Weapon Emitters: Capable of creating
new weapon designs based
on assimilated technology

Sounds good to me, if they could preduce Turbolasers. Raw energy has been seen before, it should be easy for them to adapt. The losses before adaption would be a lot, but all cubes are expendable. When I said there were thousands of cubes, I did not count the Spheres, Tacticle Cubes, and Diamonds, etc

[Sovereign]

You say Plasma from both universes are different, but what of the Terrawatt, gigoton, and megaton ranges? Those should be different too. The Force.net shows lots of differences in speed, time, and distance in both universes, do you? For example, a lightyear in the SW galaxy may be different because they Calculate the light distance from Coruscant, not Earth. How far away is Coruscant's sun? What of those?

[Crazy_Vasey]

For example, a lightyear in the SW galaxy may be different because they Calculate the light distance from Coruscant, not Earth. How far away is Coruscant's sun? What of those?

You numbskull that's an AU not a lightyear. For a lightyear to be different the speed of light would have to different. I'm a physics ignoramous and even I know that.

[Slartibartfast]

Yeah, and the ISDs all take 20,480 Megatons of damage, IF the cubes get a second shot off in that .25 seconds and all the ones destroyed still fire until they are all dead, or .0512% of their shielding.

Wait, you forgot to add in the time it takes the borg to give their "resistance is futile" speech and the Imperials to stop laughing. Or is that pre-battle?

My guess is that the borg will be able to down at least 5 or 10% of the ISDs shields (before they stop laughing I mean)

[neoolong]

For example, a lightyear in the SW galaxy may be different because they Calculate the light distance from Coruscant, not Earth. How far away is Coruscant's sun? What of those?

You numbskull that's an AU not a lightyear. For a lightyear to be different the speed of light would have to different. I'm a physics ignoramous and even I know that.

Uh, actually it can be different if the year(one orbit around star) is based off of different planetary systems. This is why in Babylon 5 Narn lightyears are different than Earth ones.

[Crazy_Vasey]

For example, a lightyear in the SW galaxy may be different because they Calculate the light distance from Coruscant, not Earth. How far away is Coruscant's sun? What of those?

You numbskull that's an AU not a lightyear. For a lightyear to be different the speed of light would have to different. I'm a physics ignoramous and even I know that.

Uh, actually it can be different if the year(one orbit around star) is based off of different planetary systems. This is why in Babylon 5 Narn lightyears are different than Earth ones.

Uhh I was taught at school that light travels at 300,000 km/s (okay I know that's not exact now but it doesn't matter) and that a lightyear is how far light will travel in a year. Unless someone was bullshitting me of course... (I hate school teachers especially science ones)

[Slartibartfast]

BORG CUBE

Warp Energy Drainage Field Emitters: 1

No! Not the Warp Energy Drainage Field Emitters please!
ANYTHING but the Warp Energy Drainage Field Emitter!

Electromagnetic Shield System: Magnitude 4

Yikes! A whopping Magnitude 4! We're doomed!

Computer Core: Collective

Does that mean that they share their expenses?

Seperation Ability: No

Whew, what a relief. No seperation ability. I wouldn't like them to seperate. What is seperation anyway?

Sensors: Primary, Secondary, Scientific, Long Range, Multi-spectral

Ack, they can see ghosts too! And several at a time!

Subspace Radio: Interplexing

"We are the Borg. Your subspace radio will be interplexed to our own. Resistance is futile."

Traditional Radio: RF Tranceivers

They will be able to watch the game! That's why borgs never get bored.

Structural Integrity Field: Class 14

We're doomed! We have no hope against the Class 14! It's orders of magnitude better than the Class 13! Not to mention Class 12!

Environment: Class M/N

Wow! They have oceans and vegetation and farmlands in their cubes! They don't even need a power base!

I think we should surrender now.

[Slartibartfast]

You numbskull that's an AU not a lightyear. For a lightyear to be different the speed of light would have to different. I'm a physics ignoramous and even I know that.

Uh, actually it can be different if the year(one orbit around star) is based off of different planetary systems. This is why in Babylon 5 Narn lightyears are different than Earth ones.

Uhh I was taught at school that light travels at 300,000 km/s (okay I know that's not exact now but it doesn't matter) and that a lightyear is how far light will travel in a year. Unless someone was bullshitting me of course... (I hate school teachers especially science ones)

Yes but Coruscant years are 368 days long. That would make a LY about 0.8% longer than one of ours.

[Crazy_Vasey]

I'm an idiot.

[XaLEv]

Uhh I was taught at school that light travels at 300,000 km/s (okay I know that's not exact now but it doesn't matter) and that a lightyear is how far light will travel in a year. Unless someone was bullshitting me of course... (I hate school teachers especially science ones)

No offense, dude, but you're just being thick here. The distance we use as lightyear is dependent on the speed of light (a constant) and the length of Earth's year (constant for Earth, but by no means universal). Thus, anyone using a different length of year will have a different length of lightyears. If we were Martian, for instance, our year would be roughly twice as long, and our lightyear would therefore also be roughly twice as long. The definition of lightyear is completely subjective. The definition we use is not universal.

[Slartibartfast]

At least he isn't as clueless as Sovereign, who thinks that the magnitude of a lightyear is proportional to the distance to the Sun (Yes, that's an AU, which is used to measure other planet's distances to the Sun)

[Mr Bean]

You say Plasma from both universes are different, but what of the Terrawatt, gigoton, and megaton ranges?

Teraton, Gigaton and Megaton are soild measurements and are assumed standered between the two Galaxys just like Kilometer is standered between the two, Thats what Lucus base system was going for(Why invent new units? for fun?)

I belive also Lucus has stated in one Interview that the Units=Same thing(Same thing IE as in Megaton=Earth Megaton, Earth Kilometer=Earth Kilometer)

Saxton said as much in the Ep2 ICS correct?

[Darth Servo]

BORG CUBE

<snip specs>
Much better. Although you really need to NAME the sources you use. Its clearly based on the cube in First Contact since other cubes did NOT have escape spheres.

TRANSWARP

Transportation device used by the Borg. The conduit is a subspace tunnel where vessels could reach speeds twenty or more times greater than the maximum speed of a Galaxy-class starship [9.6, 3,053 65c]. The conduits were activated by an encoded tachyon pulse. A Borg ship was first observed using such a device in 2369.

The fastest CANON speed of a Galaxy-class starship is 9000c ("Where None Have Gone Before") which would give a cube maximum warp of 180,000c which is still BELOW the 200,000c upper limit already given and orders of magnitude slower than Imperial ships which can do AT LEAST 20,000,000c based on Darth Maul's trip from Coruscant to Tatooine in TPM.

Reference

You need to NAME a reference, get it?

Sovereign wrote:
Variable Weapon Emitters: Capable of creating
new weapon designs based
on assimilated technology

Sounds good to me, if they could preduce Turbolasers.

Key word:IF
You ASSUME the borg's assimilation capabilities are infinite. Please justify this nonsensical assumption.
from http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Myt ... .html#Borg

The Borg were unable to assimilate Species 8472 life forms or bioships in "Scorpion". They were unable to assimilate Data when they captured him in STFC. The Hirogen border their territory and have resisted assimilation for thousands of years. The Dyson Sphere seen in "Relics" has undoubtedly been sitting around for millions of years, given the extent to which its star's aging process had progressed, yet it showed no signs of Borg encroachment. The Voth also border Borg territory, and appear to have no fear of Borg assimilation whatsoever. We have several concrete examples of their inability to assimilate biological life forms and/or technologies. Is any more evidence necessary? The Borg obviously cannot assimilate any and every life form or technology, and we have canon proof for this conclusion.

Raw energy has been seen before, it should be easy for them to adapt.

It "SHOULD" be easy for them???
They NEVER adapted to the weapons of s8472 even after losing HUNDREDS of cubes. You ASSUME infinite adaptation abilities without ONE SHREAD of evidence and infact there is much CANON evidence AGAINST your assumption

The losses before adaption would be a lot, but all cubes are expendable. When I said there were thousands of cubes, I did not count the Spheres, Tacticle Cubes, and Diamonds, etc

Cubes are expendable???ROTFLMAO
Prove it.
from "Scorpion"

"Species 8472 has penetrated Matrix 010, Grid 19. Eight planets destroyed ... three hundred twelve vessels disabled ... four million, six hundred twenty one Borg eliminated. We must seize control of the Alpha Quadrant vessel and take it into the alien realm."

Doesn't sound like the borg consider them "expendable" at all. Only 300 ships lost and they were panicking. 300 ships is TINY in the Imperial Navy.

You say Plasma from both universes are different, but what of the Terrawatt, gigoton, and megaton ranges? Those should be different too. The Force.net shows lots of differences in speed, time, and distance in both universes, do you? For example, a lightyear in the SW galaxy may be different because they Calculate the light distance from Coruscant, not Earth. How far away is Coruscant's sun? What of those?

If the laws of physics are vastly different in the two universes then these debates CANNOT take place at all. If you want to throw science out the window then you have NOTHING to compare. This is simply another tell-tale sign that you KNOW you have NOTHING to argue.

[NecronLord]

You say Plasma from both universes are different, but what of the Terrawatt, gigoton, and megaton ranges?

Teraton, Gigaton and Megaton are soild measurements and are assumed standered between the two Galaxys just like Kilometer is standered between the two, Thats what Lucus base system was going for(Why invent new units? for fun?)

dare I say "Gigaquads?" [voyager's computer core has x gigaquads]

I belive also Lucus has stated in one Interview that the Units=Same thing(Same thing IE as in Megaton=Earth Megaton, Earth Kilometer=Earth Kilometer)

Saxton said as much in the Ep2 ICS correct?

[Darth Servo]

You say Plasma from both universes are different

No, we say the QUANTITIES are different, the ENERGY LEVELS are different. Gigaton range plasma can do a hell of a lot more damage than kiloton and megaton range plasma.

WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND!!!!!

[Ender]

You say Plasma from both universes are different,

No we don't, we say that the strength is not necessarily the same

but what of the Terrawatt, gigoton, and megaton ranges? Those should be different too.

Why should they be?

The Force.net shows lots of differences in speed, time, and distance in both universes, do you? For example, a lightyear in the SW galaxy may be different because they Calculate the light distance from Coruscant, not Earth. How far away is Coruscant's sun? What of those?

Ignoring your ignorance about an AU there, just because Saxton points out a technicality about a LY there, does not mean that everything goes out the airlock, nor does it man that the unit he derived is applied by the authorsor Lucas.

[Ender]

TRANSWARP

Transportation device used by the Borg. The conduit is a subspace tunnel where vessels could reach speeds twenty or more times greater than the maximum speed of a Galaxy-class starship [9.6, 3,053 65c]. The conduits were activated by an encoded tachyon pulse. A Borg ship was first observed using such a device in 2369.

Reference

And what the hell would said reference be? Besides, transwarp hubs are static, the prototype cube was taken out by the E-D and we haven't seen any more since.

[Ender]

BORG CUBE

Deadweight Tonnage-Metric: 9,000,000

You realize that gives you a density about less then water?

STD Range: 150 Years at L.Y.V.
Maximum Safe Cruising Speed: Warp 9.7
Maximum Emergency Speed: Warp 9.999
Maximum TransWarp Capable Speed: Undefined
Cutting Beams: 30 Emitters
Plasma Projectors: 30 Emitters
Warp Energy Drainage Field Emitters: 1
Variable Weapon Emitters: Capable of creating
new weapon designs based
on assimilated technology

And the source for those numbers?
Electromagnetic Shield System: Magnitude 4
Length Overall - Meters: 3,000
Breadth Overall - Meters: 3,000
Height Overall - Meters: 3,000
Escape Pod Units: 1 Sphere
Computer Core: Collective
Hull: Collective Standard
Shields: Adaptive, Regenerative
Shield Generators: 486
[/quote]And the source for that is?

Metaphasic Shielding: Yes
Planetary Landing Capability: No
Cloaking Device: No
Seperation Ability: No
Hull Armor: Collective Standard
Maximum Warp Core Output: 58,316,100 TeraWatts

Source for that numbe is?

Sensors: Primary, Secondary, Scientific, Long Range, Multi-spectral
Fighter Count: 0
Landing Bays: 0
High Energy Tractor Beam Emitters: 8
Subspace Radio: Interplexing
Traditional Radio: RF Tranceivers
Deuterium Tank: 1,000,500 Kg
Structural Integrity Field: Class 14
Environment: Class M/N
Personell Transporters: 250

Source?

High Volume Emergency Transporters: 0
Molecular Cargo Transporters: 50
Mass Transporters: 5
Astrometrics / Stellar Cartography Lab: No
Battle Bridge: No

Name your source for both this and that bit about tibanna gas and turbolasers. I've seen both of them dragged up before, but have never been given a source.

[Ender]

Variable Weapon Emitters: Capable of creating
new weapon designs based
on assimilated technology

Sounds good to me, if they could preduce Turbolasers. Raw energy has been seen before, it should be easy for them to adapt. The losses before adaption would be a lot, but all cubes are expendable. When I said there were thousands of cubes, I did not count the Spheres, Tacticle Cubes, and Diamonds, etc

!) it says assimilated technology. Given how easily an ISD, or even lesser ships could tear through cubes,when would the have time to assimilate?
2) They have seen raw energy before, and never adapted. Why should they do so now?
3) THe quote about borg fleet numbers is clearly hyperbole, as Janeway said earlier in the ep they have no idea about borg strength.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Sovy, I order you to name your sources.

Now.

[Sovereign]

Star Trek: Encyclopedia
Star Trek: Starship Spotter
Star Trek: Web Site
Star Trek/Star Wars: Furry Conflict
Star Wars: Incredible Cross-Sections
Star Wars: Web Site

[Ghost Rider]

Has he even said ONE GODDAMN FUCKING NUMBER

My god...he's dumber than most of the GFaqs' pissant pussies combined....

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Star Trek/Star Wars: Furry Conflict

What is this?

[Ghost Rider]

Okay...what's is he rating on scale of Darkstar-average rabid fool?

I mean he's seriously pushing something.