M-14

Julhelm · Post by **Julhelm** » 2004-10-21 04:56pm

Out of raw boredom (and as a distraction from daily stress) I got to work on texturing the M-14 I posted in the CG contest thread:

I still have to model the trigger, the safety switch and the rings for the straps.

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2004-10-21 04:59pm

Isn't that really a M-21?

Julhelm · Post by **Julhelm** » 2004-10-21 05:07pm

If it's an M-21, it should have an adjustable cheekpiece on the stock, and if it's an M-25, the stock should be fiberglass.

From what I know, the rail mount is the same on all 3 rifles, judging from photos of the DMR M-14's used in Iraq.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2004-10-21 05:12pm

ey, nice work.

Guy N. Cognito · Post by **Guy N. Cognito** » 2004-10-21 08:45pm

Wow, you certainly know your rifles. Avid hobbiest in regards to weaponary?

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2004-10-21 09:07pm

Yay, M-14 pwns M-16...

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2004-10-21 09:14pm

Awesome job, Jul. You are proving my vote for you absolutely correct.

Post by **weemadando** » 2004-10-21 10:33pm

darthdavid wrote:Yay, M-14 pwns M-16...

And FN-FAL pwns them both.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-10-21 11:30pm

M14 can't be fired very quickly while retaining accuracy. The M14 is a superior long range weapon but inferior at close combat compared to the M16.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2004-10-21 11:40pm

http://world.guns.ru/assault/em2.jpg

And the EM-2 is better than everything else, ever.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-10-21 11:46pm

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:http://world.guns.ru/assault/em2.jpg

And the EM-2 is better than everything else, ever.

Repeat after me DoZ. I will not steal bandwith. I will not steal bandwith.

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-10-22 12:02am

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:http://world.guns.ru/assault/em2.jpg

And the EM-2 is better than everything else, ever.

Bullpup rifles are t3h sux0rs

.

Julhelm · Post by **Julhelm** » 2004-10-22 05:59am

Chardok wrote:Awesome job, Jul. You are proving my vote for you absolutely correct.

Thanks. I need to redo the mapping on the stock tho, since the grain doesn't curve right, and the grain itself is too large.

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2004-10-22 06:36pm

Alyeska wrote:M14 can't be fired very quickly while retaining accuracy. The M14 is a superior long range weapon but inferior at close combat compared to the M16.

*ahem* At close-range you don't need great accuracy, and you never get great accuracy from rpaid fire anyway. So the M-16 being the same at close range and worse at Long range is actually the inferior weapon. Just needs a larger magazine.

Of course though the SLR (FN FAL without auto) is superior to both.

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2004-10-22 06:38pm

Ma Deuce wrote:
The Duchess of Zeon wrote:http://world.guns.ru/assault/em2.jpg

And the EM-2 is better than everything else, ever.

Bullpup rifles are t3h sux0rs .

When done correctly they are the better weapon compared to conventional layouts... the problem is that no ones done them correctly yet.

Julhelm · Post by **Julhelm** » 2004-10-22 06:41pm

Redid parts of the stock and added detail to the mag, and there's also a trigger on it now \o/

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2004-10-22 06:49pm

Julhelm wrote:Redid parts of the stock and added detail to the mag, and there's also a trigger on it now \o/

M-14

Are you going to add a slot in the stock for the trigger to move in? It looks wrong just having it appear out of the wood like that.

Other than the petty gripe, looking good.

Julhelm · Post by **Julhelm** » 2004-10-22 06:56pm

I'll prolly skin the slot in, likewise with the mag, since it doesn't make much sense wasting polies on an area that will never be seen ingame.

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2004-10-23 12:40am

Cool gun.

Will there be a piece under the stock for additional stability?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-10-23 12:41pm

Rob Wilson wrote:
Alyeska wrote:M14 can't be fired very quickly while retaining accuracy. The M14 is a superior long range weapon but inferior at close combat compared to the M16.
*ahem* At close-range you don't need great accuracy, and you never get great accuracy from rpaid fire anyway. So the M-16 being the same at close range and worse at Long range is actually the inferior weapon. Just needs a larger magazine.

Of course though the SLR (FN FAL without auto) is superior to both.

Accuracy is just as important in close range and the ability to rapidly fire and shift targets and aim faster is a marked advantage over the M14.

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2004-10-23 05:03pm

Alyeska wrote: Accuracy is just as important in close range and the ability to rapidly fire and shift targets and aim faster is a marked advantage over the M14.

And how is it less accurate at close range? With that scope added, sure (because you have to reset the range), but then that doesn't have to be there (you can add scopes to m-16's - if you want to waste the time). With iron sight there's no difference.

Also your empirical evidence for your claim that it is less accurate than an M-16 at close-range in rapid fire is? I'd love to know how your defining close-range on this, and rapid fire.

Also how can you shift targets faster with the M-16? Fired them both have you? So again lets see your evidence for your claim.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-10-23 05:04pm

Alyeska wrote:M14 can't be fired very quickly while retaining accuracy. The M14 is a superior long range weapon but inferior at close combat compared to the M16.

And the M-16 was supposed to be the replacement for the M-1 Carbine,
while the M-14 was the Battle rifle. Unfortunately, someone saw the
US Military buying two rifles, and ordered them to buy the cheepest one.

That someone was McNamara.

Julhelm · Post by **Julhelm** » 2004-10-23 05:14pm

7.62 NATO has better penetration and more power than 5.56, while the 5.56 is easier to control and has supposedly better tumbling characteristics, from someone who has used both the G3 and the FNC.

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-10-23 05:53pm

Alyeska wrote:Accuracy is just as important in close range and the ability to rapidly fire and shift targets and aim faster is a marked advantage over the M14.

I fail to see how the modern versions of the M16 (A2/A3/A4) can shift targets faster than the M14, seeing that they're only slightly shorter and lighter...

Jean Paul · Post by **Jean Paul** » 2004-10-23 07:01pm

Um, is it legal to make a 3d computer model of a firearm?

I mean if someone were to take said mesh, and plug it into a CNC machine shop...