Empire VS. Vong

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2004-10-23 11:55am

At the battle of Endor, the shield stays up and the rebels are unceremoniously crushed. The Empire is still in power and continues its scientists continue their building of more and more insane methods of hurting lots of things at once. So this begs the question: When, in 20 years, the Vong invade, how well will the Empire fare against them?

I'd imagine it would go much more in favour for the Empire, since the NR was hampered by pacifist/defeatist politicians and movements, whereas the Empire would not have these problems. Plus, if they were content with only about 10 DSs, they would probably have in the area of hundreds of millions of ISDs and thousands of more compact super-weapons.

But then again, I may be wrong.

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2004-10-23 12:50pm

The Vong are exterminated in a few days. Palpatine doesn't fuck about like the New Republic does.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2004-10-23 01:02pm

Hasn't this been done like a dozen times before?

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2004-10-23 01:03pm

Sir Sirius wrote: Hasn't this been done like a dozen times before?

Yep

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-10-23 01:14pm

You know, everyone always shouts that the Empire would crush the Vong immediately...I'm not so convinced.

The Emperor tended to ignore anything that happened on the outer rim. He probably woulda ignored the Yuuzhan Vong. Maybe when the Vong get to the mid-rim, THEN the Emperor will attack with everything, but by then they'll have a substantial base.

The Empire will likely fare better than the NR did though.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2004-10-23 03:06pm

Ive heard it said he was building it to prep for the invasion, so would take them down hard . . . and possibly head for their galaxy as well.

more people feeding his dark side = good

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-10-23 03:11pm

Been done..Vong lose for a couple reasons.

1. No in fighting...the Emperor wills it, they die.

2. No dislike of weaponry of mass destruction.

And he ignores the Outer rim, but the that means squat given the instant they pose beyond a threat a Moff cannot handle they feel the might of the Empire in a hammer blow.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2004-10-23 04:00pm

Sharp-kun wrote:
Sir Sirius wrote: Hasn't this been done like a dozen times before?
Yep

I used this board's search function before I wrote the topic, assuming it'd been done before, but found nothing. I guess I should've followed my instincts...

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2004-10-23 05:10pm

I would think the Empire would also recognize the approach of the Vong quicker, given that Anakin heard the story of Vergere leaving with them as a young man. He'd stand at least a chance of identifying them as an adult.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-10-23 06:00pm

Didn't the Vong already wait until the Galaxy was at its weakest/most disorganized? (ie: when the EU writers were finally out of ideas... okay, IN-universe!) Because if so, they could just wait until Palpy had run his little Empire into the ground, then strike.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2004-10-23 06:14pm

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:
Sharp-kun wrote:
Sir Sirius wrote: Hasn't this been done like a dozen times before?
Yep
I used this board's search function before I wrote the topic, assuming it'd been done before, but found nothing. I guess I should've followed my instincts...

Make sure to check the Archive board whenever you do this sort of search, people here have long memories for settled arguments.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2004-10-23 06:20pm

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote: I used this board's search function before I wrote the topic, assuming it'd been done before, but found nothing. I guess I should've followed my instincts...

Did you use the search function on the regular board or the archive board?

Some previous threads about this topic: 1, 2, 3, 4.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-10-23 07:20pm

Kurgan wrote:Didn't the Vong already wait until the Galaxy was at its weakest/most disorganized? (ie: when the EU writers were finally out of ideas... okay, IN-universe!) Because if so, they could just wait until Palpy had run his little Empire into the ground, then strike.

That was the whole point of agents like Nom Anor; they exploited the brush fire wars that the Empire had kept contained and buried, but had been let out once more with the NR in power, especially in the aftermath of the Caamas Document incident. In addition, Nom Anor points out in Traitor that the Empire could and would have been able to stop the Vong before they event got through the Outer Rim and that by destroying the Empire, the NR served the Yuuzhan Vong.

That of course, brings up an interesting point. We know that Nom Anor sabotaged the Interim Council, hastening the decline of the reborn Empire. If the incidents on Osarian and Rhommamool are any indication of the charismatic firebrands that agents like Anor were capable of, does anyone else believe, although never mentioned, that the Vong may have helped encourage pro-Rebellion sentiment during the height of the Empire in order to aid their own goals of destabilization?

(This is also one of my biggest hopes for a SW book; I'm hoping we'll have a novel that deals more with the Vong during the Prequel era right after the events of Rouge Planet. That would be most excellent, to see Shimmra's coup, the training of Nom Anor and Tsavong Lah, and to see the Clone Wars and Galactic Civil War through their eyes rather than the Republic/Seperatists or Rebels/Empire.)

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-10-23 07:44pm

Kurgan wrote:Didn't the Vong already wait until the Galaxy was at its weakest/most disorganized? (ie: when the EU writers were finally out of ideas... okay, IN-universe!) Because if so, they could just wait until Palpy had run his little Empire into the ground, then strike.

I don't think so, when the Vong began to look at the the SW Galaxy it was at the twilight of the Republic. If they had have moved on to another universe the YV cultire would have been a hard vacuum memorial as the Worldships where starting to breakdown and the Shapers couldn't repair them. The Vong had to attack or die.

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2004-10-23 07:52pm

Empire >>>>> Vong. Gotta love that massive war machine.

Tychu · Post by **Tychu** » 2004-10-23 11:08pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:Ive heard it said he was building it to prep for the invasion, so would take them down hard . . . and possibly head for their galaxy as well.

more people feeding his dark side = good

How could the emperor be building the fleet in preperation for the Vong Invasion, he didnt know they were coming. He couldnt use the force to see them

The Emperor had no will to leave his galaxy. During the final days of the Old Republic, Palpatine had the Outbound Flight Project blown up and kill all the people aboard. And most people in the SW galaxy think its impossible to leave the galactic rim and not even the empeoror would risk sending people out to the void and not know how long it will take to get anywhere

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-10-23 11:44pm

And if they did go beyond the Galactic Rim, they would probably come across a rather strange regional power known as the United Federation of Planets...

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2004-10-24 12:27am

JME2 wrote:And if they did go beyond the Galactic Rim, they would probably come across a rather strange regional power known as the United Federation of Planets...

Or the Enormous Floating Head of Zsa Zsa Gabor.

Lord of the Farce · Post by **Lord of the Farce** » 2004-10-24 01:34am

Tychu wrote:How could the emperor be building the fleet in preperation for the Vong Invasion, he didnt know they were coming. He couldnt use the force to see them

Yet a number of Jedi of the NJO era did experience Force Visions involving the Yuuzhan Vong. Also, we know from examples like Ysalamiri and Vornskrs (and Jacen's experiences in Traitor) that it is possible for the Force to function where it would normally be considered to be impossible.

EDIT: To be more specific on Ysalamiri and Vornskrs, Vornskrs have demonstrated that despite the "Force-null" effects of the Ysalamiri (a whole planet covered with them, at that), they could still easily pick out Force sensitives out of a crowd.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-10-24 02:11am

Lord of the Farce wrote:
Tychu wrote:How could the emperor be building the fleet in preperation for the Vong Invasion, he didnt know they were coming. He couldnt use the force to see them
Yet a number of Jedi of the NJO era did experience Force Visions involving the Yuuzhan Vong. .

As did Mace Windu in Shatterpoint; true, that was the taking of Coruscant, but it was Yuuzhan Vong-related after all...

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2004-10-24 05:40am

Praxis wrote:The Emperor tended to ignore anything that happened on the outer rim. He probably woulda ignored the Yuuzhan Vong. Maybe when the Vong get to the mid-rim, THEN the Emperor will attack with everything, but by then they'll have a substantial base.

This is really a settled argument, but even if the Emperor doesn't move immediately, the Dalonbian Sector Group will. That's over a thousand warships, and should be adequate to contain the first wave of Vong while the Emperor is convinced it is a problem (that rock dropping trick should convince him of the severity of the situation). Even if the Emperor doesn't move, such a defensive fleet would far more greatly attrit the Vong's van element. Then they go and get another sector, and run into another wall of starships. The Vong won't get many sectors before they are totally attrited.

Admiral_K · Post by **Admiral_K** » 2004-10-24 05:54am

Tychu wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:Ive heard it said he was building it to prep for the invasion, so would take them down hard . . . and possibly head for their galaxy as well.

more people feeding his dark side = good
How could the emperor be building the fleet in preperation for the Vong Invasion, he didnt know they were coming. He couldnt use the force to see them

Well, while he may not have been able to see them directly, I think it is highly probable that he could forsee the events they would bring about.

If you think about it, the Imperial Navy was built in such a fashion that would have made it highly effective in crushing the Vong.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-10-24 07:38am

The Vong are fucked from the start, justr say events happen like the start of NJO and the Vong get a planet or 2 to start off the Emperor would order a few ISD's to BDZ the planets they are using to supply the warrors and IIRC there was only a certain point in the galaxy the Vong could use as an entry point, so just part a Death Star there and pop the worldships like balloons as they enter.

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2004-10-24 01:04pm

Think of how many warships the New Republic had in the Dalonbian Sector to even be alerted to the arrival of the Praetorite Vong's arrival....NONE!!

The NR had NO warships in the Dalonbian Sector at all. Not even a small defense fleet.

The Empire had a standard sector fleet group for ALL member sectors, which numbered in the thousands of ships. There's no way the Praetorite Vong (with three 10km Worldships landbound, Coralskippers and a few Corvette and Frigate analogues) would be able to do any significant damage at all to the Sector Fleet when they send even a small task force to investigate.

Grand Admiral Mango · Post by **Grand Admiral Mango** » 2004-10-24 01:28pm

Empire 1 Vong 0