College girl killed by projectile.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-10-25 05:04pm

RogueIce wrote:
Not 100% sure, but isn't it also inadvisable to get out of your car unless instructed to do so by the officer? If I were in his place and saw someone getting out of their car and I hadn't told them to do so, I might get just a little nervous/suspicious of their intent.

That actually depends on the state. In Utah if you get out of your car without being told you'll be told rather firmly to get back into your car.

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2004-10-25 05:04pm

That's /all/ it was. Andy got out of his car, the cop freaked and cuffed him, stuffed him in the back of the car. The cuffs were WAY too tight, as in cutting him, so he got up to ask the cop to loosen them. The cop freaks MORE at the fact that he dared to stand up, and, well, the rest is history. And there were /no/ signs prohibitting U-turns at the site, he went around taking photo-evidence to prove it. As well as photos taken of his wrists by the sheriff after he was taken in. Fucker is /toast/.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-10-25 05:11pm

RogueIce wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
White Haven wrote:In an ideal world, yes. But this is the world in which a neighbor of mine is stopped by a cop for pulling a legal U-turn, cuffed tight enough to cut his wrists pretty badly and thrown in the cruiser when he got out of his own car, and charged with /something/ (the officer's literally changed the charge at least once) for trying to tell the guy that the cuffs were way too tight. My faith in the maturity and common decency of police is, to put it mildly, low.
Given that even an illegal U-turn is a ticket matter I have the feeling your friend was up to more than you admit. And I bet if we saw the tape from the cruiser your friend wasn't politely trying to ask to loosen the cuffs either. He hadn't by any chance "had a few" before driving did he?

As for the change in charges, it might be a matter of simply correcting a mistake. Or your friend's behaviour might have warranted a change.
Not 100% sure, but isn't it also inadvisable to get out of your car unless instructed to do so by the officer? If I were in his place and saw someone getting out of their car and I hadn't told them to do so, I might get just a little nervous/suspicious of their intent.

You never, ever get out of your car unless the cop tells you to do so. That will indeed cause them to freak out, as such is generally a precursor to running away or trying something equally stupid.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-10-25 05:29pm

White Haven wrote:That's /all/ it was. Andy got out of his car, the cop freaked and cuffed him, stuffed him in the back of the car. The cuffs were WAY too tight, as in cutting him, so he got up to ask the cop to loosen them. The cop freaks MORE at the fact that he dared to stand up, and, well, the rest is history. And there were /no/ signs prohibitting U-turns at the site, he went around taking photo-evidence to prove it. As well as photos taken of his wrists by the sheriff after he was taken in. Fucker is /toast/.

I don't want to be mean, but from this post it sounds like your friend is ...rather dumb. Okay, he sounds like an idiot.

You never try to get up when a cop told you not to. You don't try to get up if the cop put you in cuffs for getting up earlier. If your friend had just tried to show that he was obeying the cop and then politely asked for looser cuffs, he might have got them.

Besides, it sounds like a lot of stuff isn't being said. Just from the description, I would say this behavior matches up more with a suspicious person, someone on drugs or just an extreme asshole. I'm extrapolating a lot based on people I know who have had problems with the police, but most of them who would "get up" so often when the cop obviously didn't want them to all had some sort of cop-hatred or drug-use or something as a cause.

I myself have had a close encounter where a police officer found a six-inch blade in my backpack (a letter opener that i carried for self-defense when the violence in Oak-town was really bad). I explained that I had had it because I was out at night in a bad neighborhood and just forgot to take it out of my backpack. I apologized and acted humble. I placed the knife in the trash (retrieved it later) and said that I would think twice.
I was not charged with anything because I cooperated and showed that I was not an angry or "uppity" person, but rather could be trusted not to become suddenly violent.

Basically, I showed better judgement than your friend and so I was not in any way inconvenienced for carrying a concealed weapon into a courthouse (on accident). Go figure.

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2004-10-26 09:02pm

Andy's easily the calmest, coolest person I know. Now, I wasn't there for this, but as I've had other friends harassed by local police for doing even less, I know who I believe given what I know of the person involved.

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2004-10-26 09:05pm

And yes, I know getting up is stupid. But that's not an excuse for a cop to go ballistic and basically do everything in his power to /provoke/ an incident.

Saurencaerthai · Post by **Saurencaerthai** » 2004-10-27 01:16am

Just thought I'd add this as I just got this tonight: I just heard the story from a reliable friend who knew people there, and they all said that there was no rioting at the location where the incident occured. The cop just raised the gun to eye level and fired.