This guy is hilarious...
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It was Dooku pretending to be Sifo-Diyas.
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I think it might be stated, but I'm not sure. I've heard it mentioned as fact on the boards before, but it's been a while. It also fits the following data.
1.) Sifo-Diyas was killed before the clone order was placed. He could not have made it himself.
2.) The Kaminoans thought that Sifo-Diyas had hired Jango, yet Jango knew the man who hired him as Tyranus. Darth Tyranus, to be precise; Dooku's Sith name.
3.) A Jedi placed that order; the Kaminoans were quite sure of that. The only known renegade from the Jedi Order with a motive to place the order is Dooku. Palpatine's too recognizable as the Supreme Chancellor; no one would mistake him for Sifo-Diyas in person.
4.) Palpatine needed that clone army to oppose the Separatists, who he was also indirectly arming. His apprentice would take care of the order rather than the Master himself, as he was needed on Coruscant.
1.) Sifo-Diyas was killed before the clone order was placed. He could not have made it himself.
2.) The Kaminoans thought that Sifo-Diyas had hired Jango, yet Jango knew the man who hired him as Tyranus. Darth Tyranus, to be precise; Dooku's Sith name.
3.) A Jedi placed that order; the Kaminoans were quite sure of that. The only known renegade from the Jedi Order with a motive to place the order is Dooku. Palpatine's too recognizable as the Supreme Chancellor; no one would mistake him for Sifo-Diyas in person.
4.) Palpatine needed that clone army to oppose the Separatists, who he was also indirectly arming. His apprentice would take care of the order rather than the Master himself, as he was needed on Coruscant.
It's Rogue, not Rouge!
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INteresting.
The fact is that the Jedi SHOULD have been dead from the get go in the Arena. Often I see a Super Battledroid shooting at a Jedi, then we cut to a Jedi blocking one blaster bolt, then another. We NEVER see ONE of the Jedi moving a lightsabre fast enough to block a Super Battledroids weapons. Hell, even if its comming in one direction, two battledroids would be sufficent to blast them to all hell. I mean, look at the bit just before Dooku calls them off. You have the Jedi almost back to back with droids all around them. Look at the volume of fire comming in. It is NOTHING like it should be with the Droids firing full auto. Simply because the Jedi can't block THAT fast, at least not against multiple sources of fire and so for that shot to work, the shots can't come in that fast.
That said, its dramatic licence more or less. You can't have the Jedi all die in a matter of seconds like the realisticly should have once the droids poored out in large numbers.
And I do agree that saying 'The Jedi are not Soldiers' is NOT an acceptable excuse. They went into a military situation as soldiers enmass, not peacekeepers. That said, they probably grossly underestimated the situation. Simply planing to jump into the arena, grab the Jedi and get out without having to do much fighting, simply intimidating the Geonosians into steping aside. But that can't work as we know from the novel they were aware of the Battle Droids, even launching a side raid against the control ship to kill the command signal, that failed.
But ok, they might have simply gotten in too deep over their heads. BUT then they take commanding positions in the army? If they are not soldiers, WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY CHARGING THE MAIN DROID ARMY AT THE HEAD OF THE CLONETROOPER LINES? They should have gotten the *Senator* and the rest of the Jedi back to a secure LZ and dusted off in an Acclamator. The fact that they charged in gun ho points to very stupid decisions being made.
And there is no excuse for no fire supoprt from the Acclamators. They made precision low yield attacks on many of the nearby airbases, destroying the fighters (which is why the Clones owned the skys) on the ground. Meaning they have relativly low yield weapons suitable for fire support. According to AOTC ICS, they have low megaton and low KT weapons suitable for such fire missions. The beam weapons of this yield have generaly minimal colatoral damage against surface targets.
But some of his points are rather shit.
The fact is that the Jedi SHOULD have been dead from the get go in the Arena. Often I see a Super Battledroid shooting at a Jedi, then we cut to a Jedi blocking one blaster bolt, then another. We NEVER see ONE of the Jedi moving a lightsabre fast enough to block a Super Battledroids weapons. Hell, even if its comming in one direction, two battledroids would be sufficent to blast them to all hell. I mean, look at the bit just before Dooku calls them off. You have the Jedi almost back to back with droids all around them. Look at the volume of fire comming in. It is NOTHING like it should be with the Droids firing full auto. Simply because the Jedi can't block THAT fast, at least not against multiple sources of fire and so for that shot to work, the shots can't come in that fast.
That said, its dramatic licence more or less. You can't have the Jedi all die in a matter of seconds like the realisticly should have once the droids poored out in large numbers.
And I do agree that saying 'The Jedi are not Soldiers' is NOT an acceptable excuse. They went into a military situation as soldiers enmass, not peacekeepers. That said, they probably grossly underestimated the situation. Simply planing to jump into the arena, grab the Jedi and get out without having to do much fighting, simply intimidating the Geonosians into steping aside. But that can't work as we know from the novel they were aware of the Battle Droids, even launching a side raid against the control ship to kill the command signal, that failed.
But ok, they might have simply gotten in too deep over their heads. BUT then they take commanding positions in the army? If they are not soldiers, WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY CHARGING THE MAIN DROID ARMY AT THE HEAD OF THE CLONETROOPER LINES? They should have gotten the *Senator* and the rest of the Jedi back to a secure LZ and dusted off in an Acclamator. The fact that they charged in gun ho points to very stupid decisions being made.
And there is no excuse for no fire supoprt from the Acclamators. They made precision low yield attacks on many of the nearby airbases, destroying the fighters (which is why the Clones owned the skys) on the ground. Meaning they have relativly low yield weapons suitable for fire support. According to AOTC ICS, they have low megaton and low KT weapons suitable for such fire missions. The beam weapons of this yield have generaly minimal colatoral damage against surface targets.
But some of his points are rather shit.
Jedi Master Sifo-Dias (sp?).
Which was either a real Jedi who was killed (by Dooku or Palpy? Who knows) after he was tricked or bribed into doing this "favor"...
...or maybe Dooku going under an assumed name (how would the Kaminoeans know the difference?), which just happened to be a dead guy (this was personally what I thought while watching the movie for the first time). Or Dooku impersonated him through the Force somehow after killing him (assumed his identity) and the Kaminoeans honestly thought it was the real Sifo-Dias...
He was supposedly a "prominent member of the Jedi Council" but we never saw him in Episode I, which was supposed to be around the time he was killed (maybe he was killed shortly before the events of TPM?). If that was a lie (that he wasn't on the Council) you'd think Obi-Wan would have picked up on that, in his investigation.
Others have said that "Sifo-Dias" sounds kinda like "Sideous" if you mumbled it just right, but supposedly he was a real Jedi, so that could be just a coincidence. Besides, why would Sideous leave an obvious clue like this? To make Dooku's half-truth speech to him even more realistic and confusing?
Which was either a real Jedi who was killed (by Dooku or Palpy? Who knows) after he was tricked or bribed into doing this "favor"...
...or maybe Dooku going under an assumed name (how would the Kaminoeans know the difference?), which just happened to be a dead guy (this was personally what I thought while watching the movie for the first time). Or Dooku impersonated him through the Force somehow after killing him (assumed his identity) and the Kaminoeans honestly thought it was the real Sifo-Dias...
He was supposedly a "prominent member of the Jedi Council" but we never saw him in Episode I, which was supposed to be around the time he was killed (maybe he was killed shortly before the events of TPM?). If that was a lie (that he wasn't on the Council) you'd think Obi-Wan would have picked up on that, in his investigation.
Others have said that "Sifo-Dias" sounds kinda like "Sideous" if you mumbled it just right, but supposedly he was a real Jedi, so that could be just a coincidence. Besides, why would Sideous leave an obvious clue like this? To make Dooku's half-truth speech to him even more realistic and confusing?