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The Ku Kluxing of the Florida vote is underway!

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By Greg Palast
Reporting for BBC's Newsnight


A secret document obtained from inside Bush campaign headquarters in Florida suggests a plan - possibly in violation of US law - to disrupt voting in the state's African-American voting districts, a BBC Newsnight investigation reveals.

Election supervisor Ion Sancho believes some voters are being intimidated
Two e-mails, prepared for the executive director of the Bush campaign in Florida and the campaign's national research director in Washington DC, contain a 15-page so-called "caging list".

It lists 1,886 names and addresses of voters in predominantly black and traditionally Democrat areas of Jacksonville, Florida.

An elections supervisor in Tallahassee, when shown the list, told Newsnight: "The only possible reason why they would keep such a thing is to challenge voters on election day."

Ion Sancho, a Democrat, noted that Florida law allows political party operatives inside polling stations to stop voters from obtaining a ballot.

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They may then only vote "provisionally" after signing an affidavit attesting to their legal voting status.

Mass challenges have never occurred in Florida. Indeed, says Mr Sancho, not one challenge has been made to a voter "in the 16 years I've been supervisor of elections."

"Quite frankly, this process can be used to slow down the voting process and cause chaos on election day; and discourage voters from voting."

Sancho calls it "intimidation." And it may be illegal.


A Republican spokeswoman did not deny that voters would be challenged at polling stations
In Washington, well-known civil rights attorney, Ralph Neas, noted that US federal law prohibits targeting challenges to voters, even if there is a basis for the challenge, if race is a factor in targeting the voters.

The list of Jacksonville voters covers an area with a majority of black residents.

When asked by Newsnight for an explanation of the list, Republican spokespersons claim the list merely records returned mail from either fundraising solicitations or returned letters sent to newly registered voters to verify their addresses for purposes of mailing campaign literature.

Republican state campaign spokeswoman Mindy Tucker Fletcher stated the list was not put together "in order to create" a challenge list, but refused to say it would not be used in that manner.

Rather, she did acknowledge that the party's poll workers will be instructed to challenge voters, "Where it's stated in the law."

There was no explanation as to why such clerical matters would be sent to top officials of the Bush campaign in Florida and Washington.

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Democrat Congresswoman Corinne Brown says watches a private investigator film voters
In Jacksonville, to determine if Republicans were using the lists or other means of intimidating voters, we filmed a private detective filming every "early voter" - the majority of whom are black - from behind a vehicle with blacked-out windows.

The private detective claimed not to know who was paying for his all-day services.

On the scene, Democratic Congresswoman Corinne Brown said the surveillance operation was part of a campaign of intimidation tactics used by the Republican Party to intimidate and scare off African American voters, almost all of whom are registered Democrats.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/n ... 956129.stm

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Hooray, while the Demmycraps begin the LAWYER SWARM!

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As well they should since one obvious case of a black man named Willie Steen being denied the right to vote was caught on tape by the BBC. When the elections officials noticed they were on Candid Camera, they let him vote, AS THE LAW REQUIRES. That was mighty white of 'em! I hope Dems -especially black ones have camcorders handy this time.
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It's a shame to see this happening all over again.
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I have a very sick feeling that this election is going to be VERY ugly. There will be no such thing as bowing out gracefully from either candidate. My only hope is that the surge of new regristrations will be a back lash against Bush and Kerry gets a nice clean lead over him in the voting. Otherwise, if its close all the dirty tricks are coming out.
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Wow, that sounds familiar. Annoyingly so. I guess since it worked last time, they do it again. Wonderful.
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BBC wrote:A secret document obtained from inside Bush campaign headquarters in Florida
That sounds slightly illegal (Watergate anyone?).
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It has begun
Thousands Of Lawyers Prepare For Battle In Florida

POSTED: 12:05 pm EDT October 26, 2004
UPDATED: 6:14 pm EDT October 26, 2004

MIAMI -- Lawyers on both sides of the political divide are armed for legal battle leading up to Election Day and thereafter in a state where the lawsuits have already piled up.
Many of the attorneys who were central to the battle for Florida in the protracted 2000 presidential count are back again for the contentious race between President Bush and his Democratic opponent, Sen. John Kerry.

Most of the lawsuits filed against the state so far have been by individuals, such as U.S. Rep. Robert Wexler, D-Fla., or civil rights organizations on issues of manual recounts on touch-screen machines and incomplete voter registration forms. But the legal teams for Bush and Kerry are ready for a potential showdown after the polls close Nov. 2.


Democrats have trained more than 10,000 lawyers for action, if needed, in Florida and other swing states. An estimated 2,000 Democratic attorneys are expected to be working in the Sunshine State on election issues. Republicans have not released their numbers but have said it will be enough to counter any legal moves by the Democrats.

"Last time, there was no preparation because there was no anticipation of what was going to happen," said Barry Richard, who argued Bush's case before the Florida Supreme Court in 2000 and is currently on standby as lead trial counsel if problems develop. "After learning the lesson of 2000, both sides have geared up early."

Stephen Zack, whose law partner David Boies argued Gore's case before the U.S. Supreme Court in 2000, is the Kerry campaign's general counsel in Florida.

"We have enough lawyers to deal with any problems that come up, whether they happen in Key West or Pensacola," Zack said. "That should give comfort to the voters who get up on Election Day."

Both parties plan to monitor select precincts, and they will be prepared to challenge the outcome if they find evidence of irregularities.

"The good in it is, to some extent, these lawyers could and probably will prevent problems," said Daniel Lowenstein, a law professor at the University of California at Los Angeles. "The bad is that, to some extent, it probably does increase the chances we get into a serious problem because everyone's looking around for problems."

Tony Welch, a spokesman for the Democratic National Committee, said Democrats' attorneys are focusing on places with the most problems in 2000, such as Palm Beach and Duval counties. But he sees court action as the last resort.

"The best news for us is if our attorneys have nothing to do on Election Day," he said. "The goal is to have bored attorneys, but you have to be prepared."

One lesson learned by Democrats is what to do in case of recount. Four years ago, the Supreme Court ended 36 days of recounting ballots in several counties selected by Gore under the law in place at the time.

"One thing that's clear from the 2000 contest, whoever is contesting it this time, whether it's Bush or Mr. Kerry, they're going to recount the entire state," said Dexter Douglass, a Gore attorney in 2000.

The legal action already has begun in the state where the last decision over the White House came down to 537 votes.

In federal decisions Monday, a Fort Lauderdale judge threw out a challenge to the state's plan for touch-screen recounts potentially affecting more than half of Florida's voters, and a Jacksonville judge refused to force Duval County to open more early-voting sites.

The state Supreme Court unanimously agreed earlier this month to discard provisional ballots cast at the wrong precincts, and a federal judge ruled the same way in a Tallahassee lawsuit.

"All we're asking is that the laws on the books be enforced," said Hayden Dempsey, a Tallahassee lawyer who chairs the Bush legal team. "The Democrats need all these attorneys because on the eve of the election they want to rewrite the election code."

Kendall Coffey, a Miami lawyer on hand for the Democrats, said what concerns him most is the thought of voters staying home.

"The lesson from 2000 shouldn't be about lawyers and briefcases," he said. "People look at 2000 as an issue of litigation, but the real message is everyone in America needs to know one of their votes could be the one that makes the difference in history
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"You know something, we are gonna win Florida. Mark my words. You can write it down."
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Why would he feel any different this time around?
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More than I want Bush to lose, I want someone--anyone--to win decisively, with six or seven swing states going to him with ten, fifteen thousand vote margins of victory. Leave the lawyers home scratching their asses. Because if we establish a precedent of litigating the outcome of elections, we're sunk.
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RedImperator wrote:More than I want Bush to lose, I want someone--anyone--to win decisively, with six or seven swing states going to him with ten, fifteen thousand vote margins of victory. Leave the lawyers home scratching their asses. Because if we establish a precedent of litigating the outcome of elections, we're sunk.
The trouble is, we don't have an impartial national elections oversight department. Until such time as this organization is created, we're fucked anyways.
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StormtrooperOfDeath wrote:
BBC wrote:A secret document obtained from inside Bush campaign headquarters in Florida
That sounds slightly illegal (Watergate anyone?).
It's not a candidate getting dirt on another candidate, so nice false analogy.

This is not different from, say "an inside source that requested not to be named" that happens all the time.
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RedImperator wrote:More than I want Bush to lose, I want someone--anyone--to win decisively, with six or seven swing states going to him with ten, fifteen thousand vote margins of victory. Leave the lawyers home scratching their asses. Because if we establish a precedent of litigating the outcome of elections, we're sunk.
Red, it's already started. Although this time i guarantee the opposire of 2000. A Kerry electoral victory with a Bush popular victory and every political hack on either side of the isle making utter hypocrites out of themselves. It would be sad poetic justice.

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You know, if it goes your way (and i so dearly hope it does) it would be the first time since fucking 1988 that the victor in a Presidential election actually recieved a majority of the popular vote.
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"Cry "Havoc," and let slip the dogs of war". - (Julius Ceaser Act III, Scene I).

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." -(King Henry VI Act IV, Scene II).

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And you people thought election season was over in a week. :)
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Durandal wrote:And you people thought election season was over in a week. :)
Shit, they'll be arguing the next 4 years....
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10,000 lawyers! That's like ..... a whole fuckton of lawyers!!!
Man, it's a good job elections aren't like this in the UK.
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Rogue 9 wrote:"Cry "Havoc," and let slip the dogs of war". - (Julius Ceaser Act III, Scene I).
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Uhg, if it may be said I dislike both candidates (and it may be said) then it may also be said I dispise lawers even more. :evil:
This bodes not well in my opinion.
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You guys SERIOUSLY need to work up an independent and impartial election control body. Most other western nations have one. Hell we've had one for donkys years.
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The Silence and I wrote:Uhg, if it may be said I dislike both candidates (and it may be said) then it may also be said I dispise lawers even more. :evil:
This bodes not well in my opinion.
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Vympel wrote:
The Silence and I wrote:Uhg, if it may be said I dislike both candidates (and it may be said) then it may also be said I dispise lawers even more. :evil:
This bodes not well in my opinion.
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Your a lawyer? :twisted: So..how many people have you ripped of, oh Prisoner of Mother England :twisted:
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Voters can be challenged by political parties? no independent election control bodies and polticians involved in organising elections.. No wonder Moore gets to say the last US election was rigged when the system invites it.
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Stuart Mackey wrote:Your a lawyer? :twisted: So..how many people have you ripped of, oh Prisoner of Mother England :twisted:
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