Maryland bear-hunt only lasts 1 day

[Death from the Sea]

You're seriously arguing that this guy couldn't tell the difference between an adult bear and a cub?

He didn't sound like a guy who made a mistake; he said it was actually more convenient to drag a small carcass around than big one, and bragged that he planned to mount the little head on his wall. That doesn't sound like a guy who made an honest mistake, and anyone who would go on a bear hunt without even knowing anything about bears is too fucking stupid to be allowed to own a rifle.

so you are telling me that you could tell if a lone bear is a cub or a adult by just looking at it from a few hundred yards away? I don't think so. Besides I never said you have to be ignorant of what bears look like, many experienced hunter often get excited in the moment they see the animal and make mistakes calculating the age and/or size of the animal. Not to mention like I said before it was the first bear taken that day (so they may have not know what was all out there) and it was the first bear hunt in 51 years people were probably shooting every bear they saw until the hunt was stopped. As for him mounting it, there is nothing wrong with it. Will it look like a huge grizzly would? no, but to him it is special and that is a large part of the reason you get your "trophy" mounted.
For all we know there were several cubs taken on the hunt and all of them mounted, but his happen to be the smallest. much like a young hunter usually gets there little 6 or 8 point mounted even though a more experienced hunter would not bother. It is special to that young hunter.
I am just a bit annoyed by the people here acting as if this guy should be stripped of his reproductive rights because he is some sort of dumbass.

Let me explain it like this..... ever watch any of those hunting shows? watch a bit and find one with an inexperienced hunter on their first hunt. They will generally take a small animal or a cull of some sort. They get just as excited, if not more excited than an experinced hunter that just took their largest animal they have ever harvested. He was caught up in the moment and possibly saying things that later upon reflection he did not follow through with.

[Darth Wong]

so you are telling me that you could tell if a lone bear is a cub or a adult by just looking at it from a few hundred yards away? I don't think so.

Why not? I've seen plenty of bears at the zoo, and I know roughly how big a bear is, not to mention what an adult one looks like. If I were an experienced hunter, I would hope that I'm capable of depth perception and figuring out how big something should look at a certain range. And if I'm not an experienced hunter, maybe I shouldn't start with fucking bears.

Besides I never said you have to be ignorant of what bears look like, many experienced hunter often get excited in the moment they see the animal and make mistakes calculating the age and/or size of the animal.

Gee, in that case then you'd think he'd sound like a person who made a mistake rather than a person who was proud of himself.

He was caught up in the moment and possibly saying things that later upon reflection he did not follow through with.

Since he must have already had enough time for reflection that he was anticipating (but not answering) objections to the youth of the kill, I'd say that your comment is just apologist nonsense.

[Death from the Sea]

Why not? I've seen plenty of bears at the zoo, and I know roughly how big a bear is, not to mention what an adult one looks like. If I were an experienced hunter, I would hope that I'm capable of depth perception and figuring out how big something should look at a certain range. And if I'm not an experienced hunter, maybe I shouldn't start with fucking bears.

Experience at hunting on animal does not mean you have experience at hunting all kinds. There are differences for each.

Gee, in that case then you'd think he'd sound like a person who made a mistake rather than a person who was proud of himself.

Gee, do you think just because he shot a smaller bear he was going to go "gosh I am such a horrible, horrible person!"
no.
The were there to manage the bear population. If there are alot of cubs running around then they need to be thinned out anyway so when they mature there is enough food in the area to support the adult population.
he even said so himslef he shot the first thing that came by.

Since he must have already had enough time for reflection that he was anticipating (but not answering) objections to the youth of the kill, I'd say that your comment is just apologist nonsense.

actually he said the size didn't bother him. It does not sound like anyone asked him if he had felt wrong in killing a cub, just if he was bothered by its small size. And they probably only asked him that because he was getting it mounted.

Harry Spiker, the DNR's black bear project manager, said the small animal was "proof in hand that we did not design this hunt as a trophy hunt. This is a management hunt, and this certainly is fulfilling our purpose.

so right here it is said that killing that 84 pound female was fulfilling their purpose. so apparently the project manager of the hunt says it is ok. who else do you want to approve of it?

[Patrick Degan]

so you are telling me that you could tell if a lone bear is a cub or a adult by just looking at it from a few hundred yards away?

Hmm...







Now I can't be 100% certain here, but I think I can pick out which ones are the adults. They're the lower ones... right?

[Bob the Gunslinger]

Isn't the lower left one a cub, too?

[Guy N. Cognito]

Oh my god IT'S COMING RIGHT AT US!!!!

[CmdrWilkens]

You're seriously arguing that this guy couldn't tell the difference between an adult bear and a cub?

He didn't sound like a guy who made a mistake; he said it was actually more convenient to drag a small carcass around than big one, and bragged that he planned to mount the little head on his wall. That doesn't sound like a guy who made an honest mistake, and anyone who would go on a bear hunt without even knowing anything about bears is too fucking stupid to be allowed to own a rifle.

All things aside it doesn't change the fact that the putrpose of the hunt was a highly regulated population control exercise. Therefore taking a young cub was exactly the kind of thing the state was looking for. Sure some poeple might wonder at it but once you remember the purpose of the hunt this guy accomplished exactly what the DNR people wanted. Do we seriously blame people for doing exactly what a government agency wants them to do?

[Death from the Sea]

*images cut*Now I can't be 100% certain here, but I think I can pick out which ones are the adults. They're the lower ones... right?

well lets see here I said a single or lone bear, and you supply pics of two bears so you have something to compare it against. Plus the cubs pictured are maybe 25 pounds, look at their size compared to the rocks, there is a large difference between an 84 pound animal and a 25 pounder.
Regardless like I said before and CmdrWilkens has also said, killing the young female was what the government wanted.

[Graeme Dice]

well lets see here I said a single or lone bear, and you supply pics of two bears so you have something to compare it against. Plus the cubs pictured are maybe 25 pounds, look at their size compared to the rocks, there is a large difference between an 84 pound animal and a 25 pounder.

The one on the left in the second picture looks about the size of a typical yearling at a first glance.

Black bears are after all, just the size of a very large dog when young.

[Glocksman]

Regardless like I said before and CmdrWilkens has also said, killing the young female was what the government wanted.

That it was, but it still doesn't change the fact that bragging about it makes you look like an asshole.

I support hunting, but 'hunters' like him aren't helping the cause.