Darth Wong wrote:
So? Anything is an increase in US tax rates on rich fatcats too, but I let that slide.
Carefull your Class envy is showing.....
Heading off to Fleece the Rich.. Will contine in the AM>>>.
The funniest part of this is that you have unwittingly undermined your own argument against Kerry. If you admit that "liberal" does not necessarily mean "bad" (which you have basically done by acknowledging that you are willing to vote liberal on many issues), then you also admit that you can't prove Kerry has been doing a bad job in the Senate by simply show that he ahs voted "liberal". Ergo, you must point to specific votes on his part which you strongly object to, and which prove him to be a less competent leader than the current Monkey-in-Chief.
Kerrys Liberal voting record....
Voting record...Quote:
To be sure, Kerry's ranking as the No. 1 Senate liberal in 2003 -- and his earning of similar honors three times during his first term, from 1985 to 1990 -- will probably have opposition researchers licking their chops. As shown in the accompanying chart, Kerry had a perfect liberal rating on social issues during 10 of the 18 years in which he received a score, meaning that he did not side with conservatives on a single vote in those years. That included his 1996 vote, with 13 other Senate Democrats, against the Defense of Marriage Act, which prohibited federal recognition of states' same-sex marriage laws. Along the campaign trail, Republicans likely will remind voters of Kerry's stance on that issue.
Specific votes which I think are too liberal for me..
The RNC says they base their claim on vote rankings by Americans for Democratic Action, which describes itself as "America's oldest independent liberal lobbying organization." And indeed, the ADA did rank Kerry overall as more liberal than Walter Mondale, Hubert Humphrey, George McGovern, Al Gore, or Bill Bradley
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On a scale that ranges from 0 to 100, Mr. Kerry compiled a composite liberal score for 2003 of 96.5, the highest in the Senate. He eclipsed proud liberals like Paul Sarbanes (94.7) of Maryland, Barbara Boxer (91.2) of California, Tom Harkin (89.3) of Iowa and the Senate's liberal lion, Edward Kennedy (88.3), his Massachusetts colleague. It was the fourth time in his 20-year Senate career that Mr. Kerry compiled a composite voting record that was unsurpassed in its liberalism by any of the other 99 members of the Senate.
theski wrote:
Carefull your Class envy is showing.....
Heading off to Fleece the Rich.. Will contine in the AM>>>.
The funniest part of this is that you have unwittingly undermined your own argument against Kerry. If you admit that "liberal" does not necessarily mean "bad" (which you have basically done by acknowledging that you are willing to vote liberal on many issues), then you also admit that you can't prove Kerry has been doing a bad job in the Senate by simply show that he ahs voted "liberal". Ergo, you must point to specific votes on his part which you strongly object to, and which prove him to be a less competent leader than the current Monkey-in-Chief.
Kerrys Liberal voting record....
Voting record...Quote:
To be sure, Kerry's ranking as the No. 1 Senate liberal in 2003 -- and his earning of similar honors three times during his first term, from 1985 to 1990 -- will probably have opposition researchers licking their chops. As shown in the accompanying chart, Kerry had a perfect liberal rating on social issues during 10 of the 18 years in which he received a score, meaning that he did not side with conservatives on a single vote in those years. That included his 1996 vote, with 13 other Senate Democrats, against the Defense of Marriage Act, which prohibited federal recognition of states' same-sex marriage laws. Along the campaign trail, Republicans likely will remind voters of Kerry's stance on that issue.
Specific votes which I think are too liberal for me..
The RNC says they base their claim on vote rankings by Americans for Democratic Action, which describes itself as "America's oldest independent liberal lobbying organization." And indeed, the ADA did rank Kerry overall as more liberal than Walter Mondale, Hubert Humphrey, George McGovern, Al Gore, or Bill Bradley
.Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)Partial-birth abortion ban undermine women's right to choose. (Nov 2003)
The only questionable decision I can find here. Still, banning one procedure gives a stronger legal precedent for banning others.
Voted NO on Amendment to prohibit flag burning. (Dec 1995)
GOOD. The flag burning amendment was a piece of shit dropped right on the First Amendment and draped in a flag.
Voted NO on limiting death penalty appeals. (Apr 1996)
This is one of the things that makes me hate conservatives. WHY on God's green Earth should we be so happy to kill people that we take away their constitutional rights in order to execute them faster?
Voted NO on limiting product liability punitive damage awards. (Mar 1996)
In other words, somebody shouldn't be able to inconvenience a large corporation just because their intestines got sucked out by a faulty swimming pool water intake.
Voted NO on school vouchers in DC. (Sep 1997)
School vouchers are evil.
Voted NO on drilling ANWR on national security grounds. (Apr 2002)
Voted NO on preserving budget for ANWR oil drilling. (Apr 2000)
This is a bad thing why? From any report except the conclusion-driven garbage sponsored by right-wing think tanks (Like a University, but better! No students or peer review means we can make everything just the way we want it to be in a magical la-la land where logic and reason don't apply!), ANWR has only a marginal oil reserve.
Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
So?
Voted NO on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)
Mean-spirited nativist bullshit. That's a good thing to vote no on.
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Kerry's 2003 voting record is also irrelevant as he was only in the Senate for a limited number of votes that year, asshat, as he was running for President at the time.
And I notice you're slipping right back to the "liberal = evil" equation that oversimplistic conservatives love so much.
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Darth Wong wrote:
The funniest part of this is that you have unwittingly undermined your own argument against Kerry. If you admit that "liberal" does not necessarily mean "bad" (which you have basically done by acknowledging that you are willing to vote liberal on many issues), then you also admit that you can't prove Kerry has been doing a bad job in the Senate by simply show that he ahs voted "liberal". Ergo, you must point to specific votes on his part which you strongly object to, and which prove him to be a less competent leader than the current Monkey-in-Chief.
Kerrys Liberal voting record....
Voting record...Quote:
To be sure, Kerry's ranking as the No. 1 Senate liberal in 2003 -- and his earning of similar honors three times during his first term, from 1985 to 1990 -- will probably have opposition researchers licking their chops. As shown in the accompanying chart, Kerry had a perfect liberal rating on social issues during 10 of the 18 years in which he received a score, meaning that he did not side with conservatives on a single vote in those years. That included his 1996 vote, with 13 other Senate Democrats, against the Defense of Marriage Act, which prohibited federal recognition of states' same-sex marriage laws. Along the campaign trail, Republicans likely will remind voters of Kerry's stance on that issue.
Specific votes which I think are too liberal for me..
The only questionable decision I can find here. Still, banning one procedure gives a stronger legal precedent for banning others.
GOOD. The flag burning amendment was a piece of shit dropped right on the First Amendment and draped in a flag.
This is one of the things that makes me hate conservatives. WHY on God's green Earth should we be so happy to kill people that we take away their constitutional rights in order to execute them faster?
In other words, somebody shouldn't be able to inconvenience a large corporation just because their intestines got sucked out by a faulty swimming pool water intake.
School vouchers are evil.
This is a bad thing why? From any report except the conclusion-driven garbage sponsored by right-wing think tanks (Like a University, but better! No students or peer review means we can make everything just the way we want it to be in a magical la-la land where logic and reason don't apply!), ANWR has only a marginal oil reserve.
So?
Mean-spirited nativist bullshit. That's a good thing to vote no on.
I guess your opinions Iceberg are different then mine.. It doesnt change the fact that I see them as liberal and you don't. I just comes down to Ideology.
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What post do you want me to read? The one with all those votes? Is that meant to be justification for ABK? Jackass.
I was asked to list the votes where "I" Think he was liberal... and it seems that others think so as well/
BTW: what the fuck are you looking for??? I have given my reasons... YOu are not going to change my mind... SO WHAT do you want??
Because you claimed that you weren't a knee-jerk conservative... so others need to suss out your opinions to demonstrate that you are.
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Why is it that republicans treat liberals like some vast Evil Conspiracy? It always seems to come off like that to me (especially the bush adds featuring the phrase "John Kerry and the Librerals in Congress").
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Majin Gojira wrote:Why is it that republicans treat liberals like some vast Evil Conspiracy? It always seems to come off like that to me (especially the bush adds featuring the phrase "John Kerry and the Librerals in Congress").
Never heard of the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" or the "EVIL Right wing Media"
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Majin Gojira wrote:Why is it that republicans treat liberals like some vast Evil Conspiracy? It always seems to come off like that to me (especially the bush adds featuring the phrase "John Kerry and the Librerals in Congress").
I think they see "Liberals" as their big enemy in Parliament. So demonising them as a group makes it easy. Then when "Liberal" can be considered a slur, just put that tag on people.
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Majin Gojira wrote:Why is it that republicans treat liberals like some vast Evil Conspiracy? It always seems to come off like that to me (especially the bush adds featuring the phrase "John Kerry and the Librerals in Congress").
Because if you make it sound like liberalism is a vast conspiracy to destroy America, you can get the ignorant to vote you the power to rule them like a king.
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theski's idea of classifying Kerry is to add his voting tally, without examining the issues voted on, which is crazy.
Most issues can be classified as either on the Right or the Left. But it's HOW FAR each issue sits which should be considered, then added to determine where Kerry sits.
Looking at just the voting record is lazy, dishonest and BULLSHIT!
BoredShirtless wrote:theski's idea of classifying Kerry is to add his voting tally, without examining the issues voted on, which is crazy.
Most issues can be classified as either on the Right or the Left. But it's HOW FAR each issue sits which should be considered, then added to determine where Kerry sits.
Looking at just the voting record is lazy, dishonest and BULLSHIT!
WHY??? example on how is VOTE on these issues should be "Clarified"
He voted the way he voted ..
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theski wrote:WHY??? example on how is VOTE on these issues should be "Clarified"
He voted the way he voted ..
Look you donkey. If 10 issues came up with each issue a fraction to the left and he voted in favour of the left in all 10, he is on average a MODERATE because on average each issue is ONLY A FRACTION TO THE LEFT!
But if you're retarded, you will add THE VOTE, and not examine THE ISSUE, and see 10 in favour of the left. 10 out of 10, PERFECT LIBERAL, ALL THE WAY ON THE LEFT WAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!
theski wrote:WHY??? example on how is VOTE on these issues should be "Clarified"
He voted the way he voted ..
Look you donkey. If 10 issues came up with each issue a fraction to the left and he voted in favour of the left in all 10, he is on average a MODERATE because on average each issue is ONLY A FRACTION TO THE LEFT!
But if you're retarded, you will add THE VOTE, and not examine THE ISSUE, and see 10 in favour of the left. 10 out of 10, PERFECT LIBERAL, ALL THE WAY ON THE LEFT WAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!
Gosh you so hate that Label..... Why dont you just embrace what you are ... "A Liberal" Kerry should stop running away from that.
Or is it "Progessive" now..
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AVERAGE WHERE THE ISSUES SITS TO DETERMINE WHERE HE SITS YOU FUCKING MORON!!
Average where the issues sits to determine where HE sits!!! Adding the voting tally means nothing, and if you really could think for yourself, you'd understand my posts.
BoredShirtless wrote:AVERAGE WHERE THE ISSUES SITS TO DETERMINE WHERE HE SITS YOU FUCKING MORON!!
Average where the issues sits to determine where HE sits!!! Adding the voting tally means nothing, and if you really could think for yourself, you'd understand my posts.
Is that vein pulsing in the side of your head yet.. and Yet you fail to understand the simple IDEA of HE IS TOO LIBERAL FOR ME>>> end of story..
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theski wrote:Is that vein pulsing in the side of your head yet.. and Yet you fail to understand the simple IDEA of HE IS TOO LIBERAL FOR ME>>> end of story..
But WHY is he too liberal? Which issues did he vote on which made him so?
Darth Wong wrote:
That's a worthless bullshit retort and you know it. You should pick a position on any given issue based on whether it makes sense, not whether it's "liberal" or not. Do not accuse me of sharing your knee-jerk doctrinaire "pick a side and stick with it" methods.
It's entirely possible however that you can lead towards one side or the other, and that would of course make you one or the other.
Only if you subscribe to black/white fallacies
Oh I don't think so. If you subscribe to the more liberal side of things generally, your probably a liberal. Likewise if you agree with the more conservative side of things. Why is this a bad thing?
theski wrote:Is that vein pulsing in the side of your head yet.. and Yet you fail to understand the simple IDEA of HE IS TOO LIBERAL FOR ME>>> end of story..
But WHY is he too liberal? Which issues did he vote on which made him so?
Christ .... I listed the votes that I didn't agree with..... what else do you want...
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Yarcamos wrote:Oh I don't think so. If you subscribe to the more liberal side of things generally, your probably a liberal. Likewise if you agree with the more conservative side of things. Why is this a bad thing?
How would you classify someone who is left leaning for social issues. But right for economic stuff?
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