Ace Pace vs. Tech^salvager (was: It's Alive! (Pt. 2))

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-10-26 02:51pm

Nice computer Dahak!, but your not at the top yet lol. Still very nice.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-10-28 03:32pm

Tech^salvager wrote:Nice computer Dahak!, but your not at the top yet lol. Still very nice.

Who the heck wants to be at the over priced top?
900+$ for a Athlon FX-55 add another 50$ for a quality cooler
200~+ $ for a nForce4 SLI
2GB of 512X4 OCZ rev. 3 RAM for 200+$
Pair of 6800 ultra at 1000$
Audigy 2 ZD platinium at 150~$
Raptor 74GB 10K RPM
Maxline3 300GB 16MB cache

you want to spend all that 3000$+ money for a computer obselete from the top by March? who the heck does outside the super rich?

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-10-29 11:12am

Ace Pace wrote:
Tech^salvager wrote:Nice computer Dahak!, but your not at the top yet lol. Still very nice.
Who the heck wants to be at the over priced top?
900+$ for a Athlon FX-55 add another 50$ for a quality cooler
200~+ $ for a nForce4 SLI
2GB of 512X4 OCZ rev. 3 RAM for 200+$
Pair of 6800 ultra at 1000$
Audigy 2 ZD platinium at 150~$
Raptor 74GB 10K RPM
Maxline3 300GB 16MB cache

you want to spend all that 3000$+ money for a computer obselete from the top by March? who the heck does outside the super rich?

screw sata
add scsi

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-10-29 11:17am

Tech^salvager wrote:
screw sata
add scsi

2 things:

Most high preformance gaming motherboards have no SCSI connectors (I could be wrong, but thats what i recall).

SCSI only adds more price, proving my point.

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-10-29 11:18am

I cab bulid a very fast system for 3k including scsi

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-10-29 11:20am

Tech^salvager wrote:I cab bulid a very fast system for 3k including scsi

Why spend anything over 2.5k on a computer system?
What kind of gains?

For most people, 3000$ is WAY out of their price range.

What kind of benefits do you gain from SCSI outside of bragging rights (which are stupid).

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-10-29 11:24am

Ace Pace wrote:
Tech^salvager wrote:I cab bulid a very fast system for 3k including scsi
Why spend anything over 2.5k on a computer system?
What kind of gains?

For most people, 3000$ is WAY out of their price range.

What kind of benefits do you gain from SCSI outside of bragging rights (which are stupid).

better I\O performance
faster speeds
use of up to 7 items on one ribbon
Scsi is way better then sata and pata

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-10-29 11:28am

Tech^salvager wrote: better I\O performance
faster speeds
use of up to 7 items on one ribbon
Scsi is way better then sata and pata

At what added price?
Who in the reguler world (I.E non enterprise\server) do you need the added I\O preformance? today SATA drives are allready fast enough for personal use.
Faster speeds? again, see above, who needs?
7 items? I imagine SOME people need that, again, do most people need it? no.

Again, it comes down to Price VS preformance benefit, where SCSI falls way short today.

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-10-29 11:36am

Ace Pace wrote:
Tech^salvager wrote: better I\O performance
faster speeds
use of up to 7 items on one ribbon
Scsi is way better then sata and pata
At what added price?
Who in the reguler world (I.E non enterprise\server) do you need the added I\O preformance? today SATA drives are allready fast enough for personal use.
Faster speeds? again, see above, who needs?
7 items? I imagine SOME people need that, again, do most people need it? no.

Again, it comes down to Price VS preformance benefit, where SCSI falls way short today.

People by alienware systems at 4k,5k $. the price vs preformce is less then it use to be.

Anyways buying 2GB's of ram is a waste.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-10-29 11:39am

Tech^salvager wrote: People by alienware systems at 4k,5k $. the price vs preformce is less then it use to be.

Anyways buying 2GB's of ram is a waste.

You realize thats a very tiny minority that buys Alienware? and those that buy the 4K and 5K systems are even smaller minority in there?

The ratio is less, but would you buy a 6800 Ultra? NO, because its cheaper and better to get a GT, and safely OC it to Ultra levels.

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-10-29 11:46am

Ace Pace wrote:
Tech^salvager wrote: People by alienware systems at 4k,5k $. the price vs preformce is less then it use to be.

Anyways buying 2GB's of ram is a waste.
You realize thats a very tiny minority that buys Alienware? and those that buy the 4K and 5K systems are even smaller minority in there?

The ratio is less, but would you buy a 6800 Ultra? NO, because its cheaper and better to get a GT, and safely OC it to Ultra levels.

its still there.

How would you know what I would buy? Dosen't matter anyways

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-10-29 11:51am

Tech^salvager wrote: its still there.

How would you know what I would buy? Dosen't matter anyways

Theres allways the idiots who want the abseloutly tweaked rig when they can build it for less.

Dosn't change the fact that being at the top is worthless and in-efficient.

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-10-29 11:56am

Ace Pace wrote:
Tech^salvager wrote: its still there.

How would you know what I would buy? Dosen't matter anyways
Theres allways the idiots who want the abseloutly tweaked rig when they can build it for less.

Dosn't change the fact that being at the top is worthless and in-efficient.

dosen't mean their idiots

So the GT can hit speeds of the ultra extreme

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-10-29 11:57am

Tech^salvager wrote: dosen't mean their idiots

So the GT can hit speeds of the ultra extreme

You don't think someone who spends anywhere from 1 to 2k extra for a brand name is an idiot?

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-10-29 12:03pm

Ace Pace wrote:
Tech^salvager wrote: dosen't mean their idiots

So the GT can hit speeds of the ultra extreme
You don't think someone who spends anywhere from 1 to 2k extra for a brand name is an idiot?

No I don't.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-10-29 12:06pm

Tech^salvager wrote: No I don't.

So I suppose you think the added price of a 6800Ultra is also okey?
And have no problem buying any of the upper end brand names?

If you have the knowledge to choose the top quality parts, you should have the knowledge to know the brand name only gives you warrenty, a promise that it will work, and bragging rights.

EDIT: I still fail to see why anyone should get the way top end, which was my ORIGINAL point, answer it instead of nitpicking.

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-10-29 12:08pm

Ace Pace wrote:
Tech^salvager wrote: No I don't.
So I suppose you think the added price of a 6800Ultra is also okey?
And have no problem buying any of the upper end brand names?

If you have the knowledge to choose the top quality parts, you should have the knowledge to know the brand name only gives you warrenty, a promise that it will work, and bragging rights.

EDIT: I still fail to see why anyone should get the way top end, which was my ORIGINAL point, answer it instead of nitpicking.

Cause they can thats why. talk to me on IRC

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-10-29 12:13pm

Tech^salvager wrote:
Ace Pace wrote:
Tech^salvager wrote: No I don't.
So I suppose you think the added price of a 6800Ultra is also okey?
And have no problem buying any of the upper end brand names?

If you have the knowledge to choose the top quality parts, you should have the knowledge to know the brand name only gives you warrenty, a promise that it will work, and bragging rights.

EDIT: I still fail to see why anyone should get the way top end, which was my ORIGINAL point, answer it instead of nitpicking.
Cause they can thats why. talk to me on IRC

They can? same way as saying like a kid in reply to a parent "Because!", and its no more a valid answer here.
And heres the 3rd goal of the forum, mockery of stupid people. HA!

Why IRC? so you can run away again to your chat room filled with your 'support group', to go into an 'unformal' enviorment for tiny replies with no substance? a forum is infinitly better.

Still waiting on a REAL reason to buy the ultra high end, what next? buying a Ultra Extream or a P4EE?

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-10-29 12:18pm

No support in IRC just so I can talk real time with ya.
And its the person's descion wether or not they should buy the uber stuff or not. That dosen't make them idiots though.
EDIT: I gave a valid reason.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-10-29 12:21pm

Tech^salvager wrote:No support in IRC just so I can talk real time with ya.
And its the person's descion wether or not they should buy the uber stuff or not. That dosen't make them idiots though.
EDIT: I gave a valid reason.

Support? last time I fell for that you had your whole gang there. Real time my ass, dosn't give time to write a decent rebuttel.

Because they can is NOT a valid reason outside of idiots, do you buy the newest shit 'because"? NO, because there is NO benefit.

It does make them idiots for wasting extra money in this money centered society.

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-10-29 12:28pm

Ace Pace wrote:
Tech^salvager wrote:No support in IRC just so I can talk real time with ya.
And its the person's descion wether or not they should buy the uber stuff or not. That dosen't make them idiots though.
EDIT: I gave a valid reason.
Support? last time I fell for that you had your whole gang there. Real time my ass, dosn't give time to write a decent rebuttel.

Because they can is NOT a valid reason outside of idiots, do you buy the newest shit 'because"? NO, because there is NO benefit.

It does make them idiots for wasting extra money in this money centered society.

Then go to irc.quakenet.org
#sysopt

Yes it is a valid reason.

And no it dosen't make them Idiots.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-10-29 12:30pm

Tech^salvager wrote: Then go to irc.quakenet.org
#sysopt

Yes it is a valid reason.

And no it dosen't make them Idiots.

Again, why the fuck go to an IRC network, where I am forced to write short, sub standerd replies and where you can do anything you want?

It isn't a valid reason unless your a millionaire or someone who's leeching off someone else's money, money is not just a toy.

So how would you define idiot? the person who blows 300$ on a stupid FX?
P.S the example was just to keep it in the same subject of computers.

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-10-29 12:33pm

Ace Pace wrote:
Tech^salvager wrote: Then go to irc.quakenet.org
#sysopt

Yes it is a valid reason.

And no it dosen't make them Idiots.
Again, why the fuck go to an IRC network, where I am forced to write short, sub standerd replies and where you can do anything you want?

It isn't a valid reason unless your a millionaire or someone who's leeching off someone else's money, money is not just a toy.

So how would you define idiot? the person who blows 300$ on a stupid FX?
P.S the example was just to keep it in the same subject of computers.

I think a Idiot as a mental retard.

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-10-29 12:35pm

Ace Pace wrote:
Tech^salvager wrote: Then go to irc.quakenet.org
#sysopt

Yes it is a valid reason.

And no it dosen't make them Idiots.
Again, why the fuck go to an IRC network, where I am forced to write short, sub standerd replies and where you can do anything you want?

It isn't a valid reason unless your a millionaire or someone who's leeching off someone else's money, money is not just a toy.

So how would you define idiot? the person who blows 300$ on a stupid FX?
P.S the example was just to keep it in the same subject of computers.

Its RT you can write long awnsers theres no one in the channel.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-10-29 12:37pm

Tech^salvager wrote: I think a Idiot as a mental retard.

Thats a retarded, so by that definition, fundies arn't retarded? actully, scratch that, bad example, so by that definition you think Bush isn't an idiot?

P.S thanks for 'well anwering' my 2 other points.

EDIT: again, IRC is not a good enviorment for debating, line by line, no easy way to quote text, and hard to insert edits fast.