Compassionate Conservatism.

[Yarcamos]

Anyone who has read Lies and the Lying Liers Who Tell Them can tell you it has vastly more credibility then the last conservative shitty talk show host book I read, The Savage Nation. For God's sake, Moore in Dude, Where's My Country had more sources then Hannity, Coulter, and the other right wing talk show cocksuckers.

Problem being Moore takes his sources and uses them wildly out of context and spins their words to match his political agenda.

[aten_vs_ra]

Anyone who has read Lies and the Lying Liers Who Tell Them can tell you it has vastly more credibility then the last conservative shitty talk show host book I read, The Savage Nation. For God's sake, Moore in Dude, Where's My Country had more sources then Hannity, Coulter, and the other right wing talk show cocksuckers.

Problem being Moore takes his sources and uses them wildly out of context and spins their words to match his political agenda.

In retrospect true enough, but talkshow hosts spin like a top and are most blatent about it. They enjoy their work so much their willing to put in overtime for bashing liberals.

[Yarcamos]

Anyone who has read Lies and the Lying Liers Who Tell Them can tell you it has vastly more credibility then the last conservative shitty talk show host book I read, The Savage Nation. For God's sake, Moore in Dude, Where's My Country had more sources then Hannity, Coulter, and the other right wing talk show cocksuckers.

Problem being Moore takes his sources and uses them wildly out of context and spins their words to match his political agenda.

In retrospect true enough, but talkshow hosts spin like a top and are most blatent about it. They enjoy their work so much their willing to put in overtime for bashing liberals.

Agreed.

[Stormbringer]

It was found in a black neighborhood in Detroit, scanned and sent to DailyKos, a liberal blog.

Oh why oh why do I have little faith that that "thing" is genuine? Some of the black leaders (like the ones responsible for this) have bullshitting constantly about supposed harassment. It's possible it's geniune fringe lunatics, but this whole things smells like a rat.

[Stormbringer]

Blow me.. Here is the Quote

So, do you want to even TRY to assert that the list of left-wing books even comes CLOSE to spewing the same amount of bile as the right-wing ones?

and that is what I showed... the left has there own bile spewers.....

Except... and this is the kicker... the left doesn't call the right TREASONOUS. It's one thing to sling mud from both sides, it's quite another to ACCUSE one side of a CAIPTIAL CRIME. Do you see the difference?

No they just call conservatives facists, Nazis, and all manner of similar charges. Yeah, the Left's hands perfectly clean.

[Stofsk]

No they just call conservatives facists, Nazis, and all manner of similar charges. Yeah, the Left's hands perfectly clean.

Wow. Did I say that?

Except... and this is the kicker... the left doesn't call the right TREASONOUS. It's one thing to sling mud from both sides, it's quite another to ACCUSE one side of a CAIPTIAL CRIME. Do you see the difference?

Oopsy-daisy. Looks like I didn't. Hell, I even said both sides fling mud at each other. What I pointed out, which you apparently didn't get, was that the right in at least one instance has accused the left of TREASON. Last I heard calling someone a nazi doesn't confer the death penalty on that person; free speech and all that. Being accused of treason, however, has that implication.

[Glocksman]

Ann Coulter doesn't equal the entire right any more than Michael Moore equals the entire left.

Personally I'm embarrased to have her on my 'side'.
With friends like her, we certainly don't need any enemies.

[Stormbringer]

No they just call conservatives facists, Nazis, and all manner of similar charges. Yeah, the Left's hands perfectly clean.

Wow. Did I say that?

Except... and this is the kicker... the left doesn't call the right TREASONOUS. It's one thing to sling mud from both sides, it's quite another to ACCUSE one side of a CAIPTIAL CRIME. Do you see the difference?

Oopsy-daisy. Looks like I didn't. Hell, I even said both sides fling mud at each other. What I pointed out, which you apparently didn't get, was that the right in at least one instance has accused the left of TREASON. Last I heard calling someone a nazi doesn't confer the death penalty on that person; free speech and all that. Being accused of treason, however, has that implication.

Hey dipshit, since when does being accussed of treason by a television pundit carry the death penalty? Becuase right now Ann Coulter's bullshit carries no more weight than the mudslinging bullshit of the left; she's in no place to put liberals to death so the bullshit about it is just overblown hysterics.

As to the actual effect of the accusations, her's are probably less damaging than the accusations of facism and nazism are. Those accusations have gained a fair amount of common currency among the liberal side of things. With the predictable results that anyone conservative is percieved as just short of Hitler; just look at the rhetoric of a lot of the liberal stumpers out there. I doubt you'll be able to find the same among conservatives that actually take the treason thing seriously. Misguided and weak maybe, but hardly treasonous.

[UCBooties]

Ok then, I’m a little unsure of how starting a post with a virulent anti-conservative generalization, and then following with nothing but invective and condemnation is considered viable debating technique. Face it, you’re not all Michael Moore and Al Sharpton, we’re not all Sean Hannity and John Ashcroft. In point of fact, I’m a libertarian conservative and I despise the current administration. It has got to be one of the worst conservative organizations in American history. The Bush house has fucked up from every point of view except the extreme right, and that is not most of us. We hate those talk radio bastards more than you do, because at least you don’t become instantly associated with them when you reveal that you have a conservative mindset. Liberals aren’t the only ones who feel sick to their stomachs every time they walk into a book store and see the new anti-liberal tripe list. But accusations of treason or not, it’s all shit. All of it, right and left. Debate over which side is more fucked up if you want but your never going to get objective analyses from the publishing press on either extreme, so why are you surprised when these ignorant bastards prove just how fucked up their worldview really is? As for their supporters, well, that’s just what you have to deal with for living in a democracy; lies and blind sheep tactics from a tyrannical majority of the lowest common denominator. But you need to get something straight, being a conservative does not make me a racist or a bigot, it just means I favor less involvement from the government in my daily life and I abhor federal attempts to dictate or revoke rights. Imagine that… a self professed conservative who wants gays to marry and equal rights for everyone. I’m sorry if this doesn’t fit into your view of an entire political mindset.

As for the pamphlet, well it’s nothing new. In fact, from the typeset and grain it looks suspiciously like one of the pamphlets handed out in the 1960’s to scare away potential black voters. If it is modern, well it goes with a long history of voter fraud in America, of which both sides are equally guilty. In 1960 the Kennedy campaign registered dead people, and in 2004 the Nevada GOP tried to destroy a couple thousand Democratic voter registrations. It’s shit but it comes from both sides, and it doesn’t represent either side. In the future please try to understand that there are such things as moderates, and that we are capable of rational discussion and debate.

[Stofsk]

Hey dipshit, since when does being accussed of treason by a television pundit carry the death penalty?

What the fuck does that have to do with anything? The word itself carries the implication, and it's a significant negative connotation when compared next to "Lying Liars." And where in those left-wing publications that Theski listed are the Conservatives labeled 'fascists' and 'nazis'?

Becuase right now Ann Coulter's bullshit carries no more weight than the mudslinging bullshit of the left; she's in no place to put liberals to death so the bullshit about it is just overblown hysterics.

The issue is rediculous. Would you agree that Coulter's views are not shared by the majority of conservative americans? Because if so then we're in agreement. Would you agree that her own words already constitute "overblown hysterics"? If so, again we'd be in agreement.

[Stofsk]

Ann Coulter doesn't equal the entire right any more than Michael Moore equals the entire left.

Personally I'm embarrased to have her on my 'side'.
With friends like her, we certainly don't need any enemies.

I heartily agree and respect your stance. It's a shame that oft times the loudest voice from one side can also be the most obnoxious and shameful.

[Stormbringer]

What the fuck does that have to do with anything? The word itself carries the implication, and it's a significant negative connotation when compared next to "Lying Liars." And where in those left-wing publications that Theski listed are the Conservatives labeled 'fascists' and 'nazis'?

Sure there's an implication; there's also all the nasty implications of pure evil in the label facist and Nazi. That's why they're being used as ammunition by both sides. So how is it that the exact implication of treason (when there's no chance of it being acted on) matters when compared to equally damaging ones?

The issue is rediculous. Would you agree that Coulter's views are not shared by the majority of conservative americans? Because if so then we're in agreement. Would you agree that her own words already constitute "overblown hysterics"? If so, again we'd be in agreement.

I would agree on both counts.

However I would have to say I'm wondering about whether the left hasn't embraced it's own overblown hysterics as truth. Both sides have those that buy the most ludicrous propoganda but I have to say with the like of Moore and Marher out there I have to wonder.

[Darth Wong]

Equating Moore to Coulter is an absurdly obvious case of Golden Mean fallacy. Moore is nothing more than a spin-doctoring propagandist. Coulter, on the other hand, is an outright hatemonger.

[Stofsk]

Sure there's an implication; there's also all the nasty implications of pure evil in the label facist and Nazi. That's why they're being used as ammunition by both sides. So how is it that the exact implication of treason (when there's no chance of it being acted on) matters when compared to equally damaging ones?

Because this point started on publications done by both sides; calling a politician a liar is like calling snake scaly, while calling an ideology like liberalism treasonous is ludicrous and disgusting (particularly since your country was founded on such principles) - at least that was why I entered this thread and why I made my comment. And while I am sure it is true that extreme Left-wingers call the Right 'fascist' and 'nazis', I don't think that is justifiable either - but I didn't see it as a title you can see on the bookshelf, next to Coulter's.

Then again I don't know what you can buy in American bookstores, so maybe there very well is comparable titles. Since we both agree that Coulter is a dumb cunt who doesn't represent the average conservative, and since my comment was focused against her, I don't see a need to argue about this, do you?

However I would have to say I'm wondering about whether the left hasn't embraced it's own overblown hysterics as truth. Both sides have those that buy the most ludicrous propoganda but I have to say with the like of Moore and Marher out there I have to wonder.

I'm afraid I'm not familiar with Marher. Moore I am of course familiar with, but while his 'documentaries' may be entertaining and to a degree eye-opening, I don't accept them wholesale as the truth.

[SirNitram]

Equating Moore to Coulter is an absurdly obvious case of Golden Mean fallacy. Moore is nothing more than a spin-doctoring propagandist. Coulter, on the other hand, is an outright hatemonger.

As someone who presented this four times here, don't bother. Facts are no match for indoctorine.

[UCBooties]

Well then I apologize for my incorrect comparison, my point remains that you shouldn't charecterize either side by the extremes. There are such people as moderates and they (we) are the people you have to deal with to get things done. I say let the rhetoric monkeys scream what they like at eachother, I'm still willing to compromise.

[RedImperator]

[img=http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/milwaukee.gif]
This is real. And utterly sick. THIS is what you're supporting, conservatives. Your side is the side of nigger-baiting and lynch mobs.

You know what? It would be almost worth Bush winning just to hear you howl on November 3. You used to be a reasonable liberal, but you've long since spiraled into DU fanatacism. I've been called a racist and a racist by association because of my politics before, but I never expected it from you. Because we all know, favoring free trade, gun ownership, low taxes and a strong military means you want to hang niggers who get uppity.

[UCBooties]

Almost worth it for Bush to win, but not quite. Face it, screw "compassionate conservatism," no one's done more damage to responsable conservatism than Dubya.

[SirNitram]

Almost worth it for Bush to win, but not quite. Face it, screw "compassionate conservatism," no one's done more damage to responsable conservatism than Dubya.

No doubts. 'Free Trade'? Try steel tariffs. 'Fiscal sense'? Not a fucking chance; scooping up this deficit takes skill in the other direction. 'Lower Taxes'? Only for the folks who don't need 'em. 'Strong military'? Yea, a strong military stretched to the breaking point and trying to keep a lid on the shitstorm of Iraq. And didn't Bush slash enlisted benefits? 'Isolationism'? BULLSHIT! About the one thing I'm not totally sure Bush didn't screw in the Conservative Ideals Bucket was gun control; what was his opinion of AWB?

[RogueIce]

[img=http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/milwaukee.gif]
This is real. And utterly sick. THIS is what you're supporting, conservatives. Your side is the side of nigger-baiting and lynch mobs.

You know what? It would be almost worth Bush winning just to hear you howl on November 3. You used to be a reasonable liberal, but you've long since spiraled into DU fanatacism. I've been called a racist and a racist by association because of my politics before, but I never expected it from you. Because we all know, favoring free trade, gun ownership, low taxes and a strong military means you want to hang niggers who get uppity.

Thank you, Red.

I do try to stay out of the Politics side of things. But this is just bizarre.

Please, Iceberg, tell me where you got that abdly made flyer from and somehow turned it into an evil conservative conspiracy. Aside from the whole generalization about conservatives in general, I have not seen one shred of anything (much less evidence) that could reasonably tie it into that (in between the rest of the conservative vs liberal flamefest going on).

If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. But I would dearly love for you to point out to me where I am (about this specific instance, ie, the flyer you posted in the OP).

And FYI, a quick Google search of the "Milwaukee Black Voters League" doesn't turn anything up.

[Edi]

Iceberg, why don't you try to chill out a little bit? Red has a very valid point here, and you're not helping yourself any in this thread. What you should do is apologize to the people here who deserve it and be a little bit more specific about who your rants are against (e.g. the fanatic fringe).

Edi

[HemlockGrey]

No they just call conservatives facists, Nazis, and all manner of similar charges. Yeah, the Left's hands perfectly clean.

So, uh, what phenomally popular liberal pundits equate conservatives with Nazis?

[Andrew J.]

You know what? It would be almost worth Bush winning just to hear you howl on November 3. You used to be a reasonable liberal, but you've long since spiraled into DU fanatacism. I've been called a racist and a racist by association because of my politics before, but I never expected it from you. Because we all know, favoring free trade, gun ownership, low taxes and a strong military means you want to hang niggers who get uppity.

That's the way the two-party system works. You want low taxes, you gotta get the racism too. You want more civil liberties for more Americans, you gotta take progressive tax increases.

[Coyote]

No they just call conservatives facists, Nazis, and all manner of similar charges. Yeah, the Left's hands perfectly clean.

So, uh, what phenomally popular liberal pundits equate conservatives with Nazis?

These aren't necesarily "Conservatives" per se compared to NAzis, but here is access to a pretty good collection of "Bush=Nazi/Hitler" comparisons and quotes.

http:/ /semiskimmed.net/bushhitler.html

Just take out the space and cut& paste!


A few "US/America+NAzis" are also there:

Harold Pinter (British playright)
Quoted in the Guardian, June 2003: "The US is really beyond reason now. It is beyond our imagining to know what they are going to do next and what they are prepared to do. There is only one comparison: Nazi Germany"

Corin Redgrave
In the Mail, Corin Redgrave incorrectly asks "Even the Nazis allowed the Red Cross to visit their prisoners : why won't America?"

Ted Rall has a cartoon called "The Right REaches Out" and of course all the right-wingers are portaryed in SS uniforms. But then this is Ted Rall, so did anyone expect anything else?

Pan way down and see that the group "Human Rights Action" has a panel showing a red and white flag, like the old Party Hakenkreutz-Fahne style, with the initial "GOP" (for "Grande Old Party", the Republicans, or Right-wing). It is inscribed "Today Iraq, tomorrow the World! Heil Bush!"

There's George Soros and ghis comments on the right-wing political cadre in the White House:

George Soros
Billionaire financial speculator in "hates George Bush, funds anti-Bush groups" shocker:

... Mr Soros says a "supremacist ideology" guides the White House. He hears echoes in its rhetoric of his childhood in occupied Hungary: "When I hear Bush say, 'You’re either with us or against us,' it reminds me of the Germans."

It conjures up memories, he said, of Nazi slogans on the walls, Der Feind Hort mit (The enemy is listening): "My experiences under Nazi and Soviet rule have sensitised me," he said. ...

It's more of an Anti-George Bush collection, but a lot of general Anti-America/America=Nazi Germany is in there too.

[HemlockGrey]

Sooooo....no one with nearly as much airtime or credibility as the Right. When Ted Rall gets his own TV show like Hannity, or is regularly tapped for TV interviews and writes best-selling books, like Annthrax Coulter, call me.