Borg/Species 8472/Empire Debate

[Sovereign]

http://www.furryconflict.com

[Spanky The Dolphin]

The picture in his sig is a link to a Geocities site that is nothing but a "welcome" screen and a blank white page.

[Sovereign]

I look up in Star Trek: The Magazine as well, those are some of the only true canon, not ST novels

[Spanky The Dolphin]

I order you to answer my question.

And in a full sentence containing an explanation. I will not accept only a link as an answer.

[Sovereign]

if you are talking about my link, it is under construction

[Spanky The Dolphin]

I order you to answer my previous question.

[Ghost Rider]

Okay I see Sov and an amobea are in conflict for who has more brainpower.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

I order you to answer my question:

What is this?

Star Trek/Star Wars: Furry Conflict

And I demand a full answer.

[Master of Ossus]

Star Trek: Encyclopedia
Star Trek: Starship Spotter
Star Trek: Web Site
Star Trek/Star Wars: Furry Conflict
Star Wars: Incredible Cross-Sections
Star Wars: Web Site

Okay. you do realize of course that ST/SW: Furry Conflict, is NOT an official site in any way, of EITHER ST or SW. You further realize that ST:Encyclopedia is not canon (which in ST means it has NO value). You must also realize that the SW website is merely official instead of canon, as is the ICS. I am not sure about the canon policy regarding the ST website, or the ST: Starship Spotter (which I have never heard of), but this kind of goes to show you that your work cannot be more accurate than your sources.

[Master of Ossus]

I order you to answer my question:

What is this?

Star Trek/Star Wars: Furry Conflict

And I demand a full answer.

Easy there, Spanky. The disclaimer from the bottom of EVERY PAGE on the website should put this conflict to rest.

Star Trek & Star Wars are © Paramount Pictures and Lucasfilm LTD, respectively. THE FURRY CONFLICT and all related material © 1999-2002 Julius Harper II. All Rights Reserved. All original characters and their distinctive likenesses are © their original creators. All other content contained herein, unless otherwise noted, is © its original creators. TFC is a parody and creative critique protected under the terms and laws of Fair Use. No copyright infringement is intended by anything on these pages. Do not re-post, redistribute, or reproduce anything contained herein without permission from the original creators. Terms of Use.

It's just a fan site. I'm not sure how this is usable as a source, though, because it has a BBS attached to it. Sovereign, did you use the rest of the site as a source, or the BBS, because I can't figure out the site very well. It seemed pretty tough to navigate, with many links that have obviously not yet been completed, yet.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

The very fact that he is using a furry fan site tells me he is an idiot.

[Sovereign]

I only use SOME of the information from these pages...

http://www.furryconflict.com/tech/techn ... tions.html

[Spanky The Dolphin]

And virtually all of it is made up, you dorrknob.

[Ghost Rider]

Oh jeebus...

So you're saying that this would be a good statement as an essay:

"Coke is fuzzy water...because my 8 year old cousin says so and obviously since he drinks four cans a day he's a knowledgeable source."

[Anarchist Bunny]

Variable Weapon Emitters: Capable of creating
new weapon designs based
on assimilated technology

Sounds good to me, if they could preduce Turbolasers. Raw energy has been seen before, it should be easy for them to adapt. The losses before adaption would be a lot, but all cubes are expendable. When I said there were thousands of cubes, I did not count the Spheres, Tacticle Cubes, and Diamonds, etc

When are they going to assimilate new technology, after 2 days it would take 1 cube to take down an ISD's shielding so they could transport drones over? Or in the six seconds that it would take 1 ISD to take down 200 borg cubes with their only 3/5ths of there MEDIUM weaponry. You know you destroy what little credibility you have when you ignore other people posts. Even if they had 40 ships for every one of the empire's ISD ALONE, and those ships were firing torpedos much more powerful than their normal ones and fired over 50x faster then they normally do, they still would only have 1.25 seconds to live and barely put a scratch on the ISDs shielding.

Sov, right now your being entertaining, but if you keep on ignoring people's posts, and not providing any numbers or reliably sources, and just quote from those sources, then, you will soon be finding yourself with the likes of John Clark, Sith God, and DarkStar.

[Master of Ossus]

I only use SOME of the information from these pages...

http://www.furryconflict.com/tech/techn ... tions.html

Let me get this straight. The resource that you used from that website (provided at a click by your convenient link) specifically says:

The canon of THE FURRY CONFLICT does not necessarily follow that of Star Trek or Star Wars official canon, albeit much effort has been made to adhere to the spirit of both universes. Be aware that certain technologies may have been altered, added, or simply not exist in the universe of TFC, and this should be taken into consideration when viewing the information contained herein.

ON THE PAGE THAT YOU PROVIDED, yet you use that as a reasonable resource for this debate, which deals with canon material in the case of ST, and canon and official material in the case of SW? This is REALLY not something to be proud of, Sovereign. You can't use sites that specifically state they are non-canon as if they were canon or official. Even if there IS a fan-site that you want to use, you must almost always justify any assertions that that particular website makes, and explain why the website is accurate in regards to that particular facet of the universe. This is even true for Dr. Saxton's excellent SW:TC, EVEN THOUGH HE IS NOW A SW AUTHOR.

[Sovereign]

The STAR DESTROYER is the symbol of the Empire's military might, carrying devestating firepower and assault forces anywhere in the Galaxy to subjugate opposition. A Star Destroyer can easily overtake fleeing craft, blasting them into submission or drawing them into its main hanger with tractorbeams. Imperial Class Star Destroyers are 1600 meters long, bristling with turbolasers and ion cannons, and are equipped with eight giant turret gun stations. Star Destroyers carry 9700 stormtroopers and a full wing of 72 TIE ships (typically including 48 TIE/In fighters, 12 TIE bombers, and 12 TIE boarding craft) as well as a range of attack and landing craft. A single Star Destroyer can overwhelm and entire rebellious planet. Major industrialized worlds are assulted with a fleet of six Star Destroyers operating with support cruisers and supply craft. Such a force can obliterate any defences, occupying or completely destroying cities or settlements.
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This information comes from the cut away book. Is this canon? I thought so. It states that most fleets on there own include only six ISDs and thats for planets that fight back. The next info really gets to me...
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The heaviest weapons on board the Star Destroyer are the SIX turbolaser turrets positioned with the TWO heavy ion cannon turrets along the flanks of the upper deck structure. Fifty Meters in diameter, these turbolasers can overload deflector shields and punch holes in most heavily armored spacecraft. While smaller, fast-moving ships are more difficult to target with the turret guns, even a glancing hit from these cannons will destroy them.
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Where do you get 200? There are LTL but they are not mentions in this book.

[Ghost Rider]

Care to show your source...and compare it to other canon resources and MOVIES that refute such a claim?

[Anarchist Bunny]

The STAR DESTROYER is the symbol of the Empire's military might, carrying devestating firepower and assault forces anywhere in the Galaxy to subjugate opposition. A Star Destroyer can easily overtake fleeing craft, blasting them into submission or drawing them into its main hanger with tractorbeams. Imperial Class Star Destroyers are 1600 meters long, bristling with turbolasers and ion cannons, and are equipped with eight giant turret gun stations. Star Destroyers carry 9700 stormtroopers and a full wing of 72 TIE ships (typically including 48 TIE/In fighters, 12 TIE bombers, and 12 TIE boarding craft) as well as a range of attack and landing craft. A single Star Destroyer can overwhelm and entire rebellious planet. Major industrialized worlds are assulted with a fleet of six Star Destroyers operating with support cruisers and supply craft. Such a force can obliterate any defences, occupying or completely destroying cities or settlements.
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This information comes from the cut away book. Is this canon? I thought so. It states that most fleets on there own include only six ISDs and thats for planets that fight back. The next info really gets to me...

Hey dipshit, read what your type, it said it takes six to over welm a industralized world(hint that means planetary defenses) And by cut out if you mean Incredible Cross Section then yes.

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The heaviest weapons on board the Star Destroyer are the SIX turbolaser turrets positioned with the TWO heavy ion cannon turrets along the flanks of the upper deck structure. Fifty Meters in diameter, these turbolasers can overload deflector shields and punch holes in most heavily armored spacecraft. While smaller, fast-moving ships are more difficult to target with the turret guns, even a glancing hit from these cannons will destroy them.
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Where do you get 200? There are LTL but they are not mentions in this book.

There are also medium, there aren't 200, the mediums deal 200 gigatons of damage, there are 50 Medium turbolasers, those heave ones are somewhere in the Teraton range damage, but we have no official figure so we don't often call on them.

I'll say it again FUCKING READ OR GET THE FUCK OUT! I really am begining to suspect a mod is behind this.

[Ghost Rider]

Personally I almost hope so, because anyone this dumb is astounding.

[Sovereign]

A Borg Cube is very large, it is considered almost invincible. But even a Borg vessel will fall to the collective forces of a hundred smaller, weaker ships. The Imerial Star Destroyer will fall the same way.

For you not to believe the Rebels will be no threat, tell that to the British in the 1700s when a bunch of American farmers defeated the Most powerful empire in the World.

[Anarchist Bunny]

A Borg Cube is very large, it is considered almost invincible. But even a Borg vessel will fall to the collective forces of a hundred smaller, weaker ships. The Imerial Star Destroyer will fall the same way

STOP FUCKING IGNORING ME! It would take 200 borg cubes 13 minutes to take down an ISD's shields as I've already proven, but the ISD with only 3/5ths of it's MEDIUM weaponry would take those 200 borg cubes down in 6 seconds. It would take an inconcievable number of borg cubes to take down one ISD.

For you not to believe the Rebels will be no threat, tell that to the British in the 1700s when a bunch of American farmers defeated the Most powerful empire in the World.

Yes, but the bittish couldn't shrug off hundreds of american bullits, nor could one brittish soldier fire and kill around 50 americans a second.

The rebels weren't a threat, even after they took down the first Death Star the Empire was too strong, even after they took out the second Death Star and the emporer and Darth Vader, they were no threat to the Empire, but those little opressed planets that couldn't stand to the empire with Palapine and Vader at it's lead, once their problem was solved, they then could safely join the Rebellion and fight back and win.

[Ghost Rider]

My god the boy doesn't even have a knowledge of history...

You do know that America had the Backing of a Superpower(hint it's a country next to Spain and it's not Portugal).

Honestly you are dumber than most...and you have yet to dispute anything.

[Master of Ossus]

A Borg Cube is very large, it is considered almost invincible. But even a Borg vessel will fall to the collective forces of a hundred smaller, weaker ships. The Imerial Star Destroyer will fall the same way.

For you not to believe the Rebels will be no threat, tell that to the British in the 1700s when a bunch of American farmers defeated the Most powerful empire in the World.

Well, yes, an ISD would eventually be overwhelmed by fleet upon fleet of ST ships, but that's like having Zap Branigan's "I'll simply throw wave after wave of my own men against them," be a real strategy. If it takes SF just ten ships to destroy each ISD, then they will still inevitably lose the war to the Empire's superior production capabilities and numbers. An ISD is also much less vulnerable to being overwhelmed, because its level of technology is so much greater than the ships ST has available to attack them with.

The reference to the rebels is REALLY stupid. The conditions for the British in the New World were almost totally disimilar to the ones the Empire would be facing if they were to invade the AQ (or, for that matter, the ones they faced against the Rebels). The Empire outnumbers the rebels by a heck of a lot. It has no serious communications or logistical difficulties against the Empire. More importantly, the Rebels in SW cannot stand against the Empire in direct conflict (alluded to heavily in RotJ, in case you missed the film). In the New World, the American Rebels had large advantages in numbers, and enjoyed localized advantages in technology (with rifles better than British muskets, and several other advantages). In addition, the Americans enjoyed the ability to attack British supply lines nearly at their leisure, and considerable advantages in logistics. Most importantly, the Americans developed the numbers needed to fight British Expeditionary Units directly, though a concerted British effort would have almost certainly crushed the colonials.

I actually find your example laughable. It really only proves the pro-SW side more, because the Americans were only able to win the conflict because France threw itself on the British to distract them from the American threat, thus cutting off the ability of the British to fight the Americans with both hands. Had the French not stepped in, the war would have gone on for longer but would almost certainly have resulted in a British victory. Your example points in a direction opposite to the one you would have us believe. It is simply bullshit that "American farmers defeated the Most powerful empire in the World." The Americans did NOT win the Revolutionary War. The French won it for them. And France actually lost the war, in the long run, because its treasury was so depleted by the war that it would later be destroyed due to public debts it held in freeing America.

[Anarchist Bunny]

Oh fucking kay, more calculations, 1 ISD vs 1000 Borg cubes, they can all fire on each other at the same time, borg can fire 1 256 megaton a second, the ISD can fire its 50 MTL and 6HTLs a second, LTLs will not be included. Thats 256,000 Megatons a second, so it'll take the cubes 156.25 seconds to take down the ISD's shields. Or about 2 and a half minutes. It will take 17.8 seconds for the ISD to destroy all of theses cube, now saying that the cubes 1000 cubes all get in 18 shots, that equals 4,608,000 Megatons of damage to the ISD by 1000 Borg cubes, or 11.52% of the ISD's shields. YOUR FUCKING LOSE, GIVE THE FUCK UP!