Firing at two parts of the body simultanously to beat a Jedi

Jean Paul · Post by **Jean Paul** » 2004-10-30 07:05am

...was done!

I know it's often been speculated on, but I noticed it actually happens in AOTC. When Obi-Wan is talking via the hologram, and is attacked by a droideka, it fires a high shot that he blocks, simultaneous to a low shot that hits him in the knee, and he sort of falls back out of the picture. You can hear him grunting as well.

Although this may not have actually disarmed him yet... he may have continued parrying while lying on the ground, since the droid continued to fire.

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2004-10-30 08:04am

I presume the distance between the bolts should need to be a little more than the length of the blade. And even then the Jedi could jump and evade them. In that part you're mentioning, Obi-Wan was trying to stay in the area of the holotransmiter, otherwise I think he would have jumped or dodged the other bolt.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-10-30 08:07am

Theoretically we have the two principles behind Jedi power... enhanced speed and precog.

If a Jedi sees two bolts coming in and he knows he can't block both of them, he has to try something else. In AOTC it seems like Jedi are able to sneak up on each other a lot easier than in any other SW movie so far. Maybe it has to do with that "shroud of the Dark Side" thing Yoda was talking about. Like a big jamming field. Nobody knows what's going on anymore...

Interesting though.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2004-10-30 10:04am

Three would be better, two could be deflect by a single lightsabre at an the right angle.

Of course theres no good reason why a jedi could simple dodge the shots with a burst of force speed or a TK enchanced jump...

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-10-30 11:57am

Jean Paul wrote:...was done!

I know it's often been speculated on, but I noticed it actually happens in AOTC. When Obi-Wan is talking via the hologram, and is attacked by a droideka, it fires a high shot that he blocks, simultaneous to a low shot that hits him in the knee, and he sort of falls back out of the picture. You can hear him grunting as well.

Although this may not have actually disarmed him yet... he may have continued parrying while lying on the ground, since the droid continued to fire.

You sure? Could have just been close. A jedi could put the saber at the right angle and block two shots at once. Three would be impossible, though, but he could dodge it.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-10-30 12:05pm

Since he was not injured and his clothes showed no sign of damage, it seems unlikely that it scored a solid hit on his knee. He must have managed to evade or block it somehow, either with his lightsabre or his Force abilities.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2004-10-30 12:13pm

Praxis wrote:
You sure? Could have just been close. A jedi could put the saber at the right angle and block two shots at once. Three would be impossible, though, but he could dodge it.

Looks at Praxis' Post, looks minew own last post. Great minds think alike, mayhaps?

Dillon · Post by **Dillon** » 2004-10-30 02:20pm

Jean Paul wrote:...was done!

I know it's often been speculated on, but I noticed it actually happens in AOTC. When Obi-Wan is talking via the hologram, and is attacked by a droideka, it fires a high shot that he blocks, simultaneous to a low shot that hits him in the knee, and he sort of falls back out of the picture. You can hear him grunting as well.

Although this may not have actually disarmed him yet... he may have continued parrying while lying on the ground, since the droid continued to fire.

My theory on Obi-Wan being taken down by the Destroyer in AOTC is that it must be a result of the Jedi losing their force powers, mainly since Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan handed 3 of them at a time in TPM.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-10-30 03:48pm

Didn't they run away from the destroyer droids in TPM?

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-10-30 03:55pm

neoolong wrote:Didn't they run away from the destroyer droids in TPM?

There were three of them, each firing 4 shots at a time. Do the math- thats 12 shots at a time. Sorta hard to block with a saber.

Though they shoulda just force pushed...

Dillon · Post by **Dillon** » 2004-10-30 04:08pm

neoolong wrote:Didn't they run away from the destroyer droids in TPM?

Yes, but that was only after they deflected their shots for about half a minute, and deciding it wasn't worth the trouble or something.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-10-30 04:12pm

Praxis wrote:
neoolong wrote:Didn't they run away from the destroyer droids in TPM?
There were three of them, each firing 4 shots at a time. Do the math- thats 12 shots at a time. Sorta hard to block with a saber.

Though they shoulda just force pushed...

My point was that they didn't exactly handle the droids.

However, aren't the guns on destroyers pretty much double-barreled. So even though they're four shots each time for each droid, they are coming in pairs that are pretty close together.

Jean Paul · Post by **Jean Paul** » 2004-10-30 04:44pm

Praxis wrote:Though they shoulda just force pushed...

Maybe the Federation's sheild technology works for everything including the force. (Long shot but u never know)

Post by **NecronLord** » 2004-10-30 04:59pm

Or that pushing the droids would distract them from blocking the bolts.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2004-11-01 11:04am

I'm not sure firing at two body parts simultaneously will beat a Jedi, especially those with Force-Shield ability.

However, I'm *sure* which two body parts should be fired at to really *hurt* a Jedi: left testicle and right testicle.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-11-01 11:08am

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:I'm not sure firing at two body parts simultaneously will beat a Jedi, especially those with Force-Shield ability.

However, I'm *sure* which two body parts should be fired at to really *hurt* a Jedi: left testicle and right testicle.

I dout that's wise, as pissed off Jedi is not a god thing. Besides it doesn't work on Female Jedi.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2004-11-01 01:34pm

Left ovary, right ovary.

How does a Jedi deflect two bolts at "the right angle"? Do you mean he/she richochets one bolt into the other bolt and deflects it like that or do you mean something else?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-11-01 02:06pm

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:Left ovary, right ovary.

How does a Jedi deflect two bolts at "the right angle"? Do you mean he/she richochets one bolt into the other bolt and deflects it like that or do you mean something else?

I guess that would depend on whether a bolt would ricochet off another bolt. It's certainly a possibility.

Wouldn't it be hilarious if a Jedi whose lightsabre was broken picked up a gun and used it to shoot an incoming blaster bolt? Maybe that's why Obi-Wan complained that they were clumsy and random; they're not accurate enough for such a feat.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-11-01 02:12pm

Mike, you're a fucker. Now I want to see if that 'Force Adept Sharpshooter' is official WEG stuff(And thus low tier canon) or just fanmake.

(For those that wonder, it was a Jedi option where you go more 'Nameless stranger' from a Western than Samurai. And yes, you could deflect blaster bolts with your own shots.)

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-11-01 02:21pm

Blasters use as bolt deflection toll aside, I think what meant is that if blaster bolts come at right angle you block and deflect all off them swipe of the lightsaber thus deflecting more then one bolt at time. (that's why trying to blow jedi's nuts off is not good idea, you'll just get your bolts in the return mail).

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2004-11-01 05:07pm

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:Left ovary, right ovary.

How does a Jedi deflect two bolts at "the right angle"? Do you mean he/she richochets one bolt into the other bolt and deflects it like that or do you mean something else?

His light sabre is at an angle so the both bolts hit the blade. Is what I meant.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2004-11-01 05:57pm

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:Left ovary, right ovary.

How does a Jedi deflect two bolts at "the right angle"? Do you mean he/she richochets one bolt into the other bolt and deflects it like that or do you mean something else?

It's not that hard to understand. The saber is a straight line, and the two shots will land at two points simultaneously. You can always draw a straight line between two points, but not three (then you get a triangle).

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2004-11-01 06:15pm

Slartibartfast wrote:It's not that hard to understand. The saber is a straight line, and the two shots will land at two points simultaneously. You can always draw a straight line between two points, but not three (then you get a triangle).

I wonder if it is possible to actually do crazy calcs and come up with a minimum number of bolts to kill a Jedi. A Jedi might not be able to hit two bolts at once, but he could extend his arm and deflect the third bolt, while deflecting the two at once a split second later. Of course the calcs would ignore the precog abilities.

I was also thinking of blaster bolt density -- there were a ton of blaster bolts flying around in AOTC. I wonder how dense a field of blaster bolts has to be before the precog abilities of the Jedi get hampered -- as in so many that he couldn't predict all the angles they were coming from.

Brian

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-11-01 06:26pm

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:
How does a Jedi deflect two bolts at "the right angle"? Do you mean he/she richochets one bolt into the other bolt and deflects it like that or do you mean something else?

You can always draw a line between two points. Two bolts are coming in, the Jedi just has to tilt his lightsaber so both bolts land on it.

Jean Paul · Post by **Jean Paul** » 2004-11-01 06:38pm

What if the distance apart is longer than the blade?

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