Now the Chinese are against Bush?

Agrajag · Post by **Agrajag** » 2004-11-01 08:49am

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004 ... bush_x.htm

A sampling:

China criticizes Bush ahead of election
BEIJING (AP) — On the eve of the U.S. presidential election, China accused President Bush of trying to "rule over the whole world," saying the invasion of Iraq destroyed the global anti-terrorism coalition and worsened religious and ethnic conflicts.
The strikingly pointed criticism from a government that Washington calls a key anti-terrorism ally was a departure from China's past refusal to comment on the U.S. presidential candidates.

It came in a commentary in a state newspaper by Vice Premier Qian Qichen, who criticized what he called the "Bush Doctrine" as a policy of pre-emptive military attack and a Cold War relic.

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When the Chinese start criticizing you for ethnic shortcomings, you know you've screwed up royally.

How many countries have to point out their complete disapproval before the fanatics realize we've screwed this up and that this dictator of ours needs to go?

arctic_series · Post by **arctic_series** » 2004-11-01 09:50am

dude. everyone's against bush, always have been.

Thinkmarble · Post by **Thinkmarble** » 2004-11-01 09:59am

Incorrect, Iran is in favour with Bush

Joy Division · Post by **Joy Division** » 2004-11-01 10:00am

When has China ever been for Bush?

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2004-11-01 10:10am

Thinkmarble wrote:Incorrect, Iran is in favour with Bush

John Howard has been firmly in the Bush camp before the elections, but I wouldnt be suprised if he sticks like a burr to who ever is the next USA president.

Not that Australia could respond to any significant USA requests untill a few days ago, the Australian government was on holidays till after the local elections here, and now I'm positive they will wait till after the USA elections have been resolved (or mostly so).

CJvR · Post by **CJvR** » 2004-11-01 10:25am

Yeah, how dare Bush? Don't he know that China is supposed to rule the world?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-11-01 12:02pm

Of course they oppose Bush. They're damn dirty Commies.

J · Post by J » 2004-11-01 12:14pm

The Chinese do believe in self-preservation, afterall, there are rumors that Bush's advisors have received word of The Shep Solution.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-11-01 12:41pm

That's very odd. I would have thought they'd be pro-Bush. After all, they share his belief in the principle of locking up troublesome citizens without a fair trial.

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2004-11-01 12:46pm

Did you all forget the recon plane incident? Of course China is against Bush.

CJvR · Post by **CJvR** » 2004-11-01 01:01pm

Darth Wong wrote:That's very odd. I would have thought they'd be pro-Bush. After all, they share his belief in the principle of locking up troublesome citizens without a fair trial.

When did that happen?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-11-01 01:03pm

CJvR wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:That's very odd. I would have thought they'd be pro-Bush. After all, they share his belief in the principle of locking up troublesome citizens without a fair trial.
When did that happen?

You slept through the entire controversy over the Patriot Act and terror "suspects" being held without trial?

Yarcamos · Post by **Yarcamos** » 2004-11-01 01:21pm

Darth Wong wrote:
CJvR wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:That's very odd. I would have thought they'd be pro-Bush. After all, they share his belief in the principle of locking up troublesome citizens without a fair trial.
When did that happen?
You slept through the entire controversy over the Patriot Act and terror "suspects" being held without trial?

Specific examples would be nice. Everything I've seen that liberals bring up about the Patriot Act seems to portray the scenario that this is happening on a wide spread basis. Looking at the real scenario however, this seems to be happening to a very select few.

As for China, they are Communists. They would like Bush for what reason?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-11-01 01:24pm

Yarcamos wrote:Specific examples would be nice. Everything I've seen that liberals bring up about the Patriot Act seems to portray the scenario that this is happening on a wide spread basis. Looking at the real scenario however, this seems to be happening to a very select few.

So it's OK to shit on the Constitution as long as the majority aren't affected?

As for China, they are Communists. They would like Bush for what reason?

It's a joke, you pedantic hatfucker. Grow the fuck up.

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-11-01 01:28pm

Yarcamos wrote:Specific examples would be nice. Everything I've seen that liberals bring up about the Patriot Act seems to portray the scenario that this is happening on a wide spread basis. Looking at the real scenario however, this seems to be happening to a very select few.

The thing is, even when empowered by the Patriot Act, Bush still has far more restrictions on his power than the Chinese political leaders. How do you think things would be if the Bush Administration had the same power they do?

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-11-01 01:31pm

Darth Wong wrote:That's very odd. I would have thought they'd be pro-Bush. After all, they share his belief in the principle of locking up troublesome citizens without a fair trial.

Under Clinton China was seen as a 'strategic partner' and they were 'engaged with' (euphemism for "Hey, let's talk") by the American government. When Bush took over, this outlook changed and China was seen and referred to as a 'strategic competitor', and thus relations did a u-turn. Bush made one particularly notorious faux pas when in response to Taiwan being attacked, he vowed America would do "whatever it takes." Naturally, this made the Chinese highly concerned and Bush's staff groaned a collective "Oh shit..." I believe his statement was retracted pretty quick.

I'm not surprised the PRC would want Kerry to replace Bush. Having someone in the White House who isn't automatically hardline against them would be within their interests, though it should be noted Clinton wasn't above 'aircraft carrier diplomacy' and a bit of saber rattling, so who knows.

Of course, rereading what you wrote it now reads like you were making a joke, which leads me to wonder if this post will be considered redundant. Oh well.

Yarcamos · Post by **Yarcamos** » 2004-11-01 01:31pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Yarcamos wrote:Specific examples would be nice. Everything I've seen that liberals bring up about the Patriot Act seems to portray the scenario that this is happening on a wide spread basis. Looking at the real scenario however, this seems to be happening to a very select few.
So it's OK to shit on the Constitution as long as the majority aren't affected?
As for China, they are Communists. They would like Bush for what reason?
It's a joke, you pedantic hatfucker. Grow the fuck up.

First off,I was reffering to the whole thread as a whole when commenting about China, not you specifically. Jesus Christ we get a little defensive around here.

Secondly, you still have failed to show me any specific examples. Are you telling me you would jeopardize national security for the convenience of a few that may end up being mass murderers? Times do change, as was evident by the events of 9/11. If you can provide an alternative solution to hampering terrorist efforts inside the U.S., I'd be interested in hearing it.

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2004-11-01 01:32pm

I find it ironic that China is saying that the US has serious expansionistic aims. Not that it's not true, just a case of the Pot & Kettle.

Yarcamos · Post by **Yarcamos** » 2004-11-01 01:32pm

Ma Deuce wrote: How do you think things would be if the Bush Administration had the same power they do?

There would be a Civil War.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-11-01 01:33pm

Yarcamos wrote:Times do change, as was evident by the events of 9/11.

:lol::lol::lol:

Ah, another twit who thinks terrorism didn't exist or wasn't a threat before September four years ago. Tell me, what's the sand you're head is stuck in taste like?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-11-01 01:34pm

Yarcamos wrote:
It's a joke, you pedantic hatfucker. Grow the fuck up.
First off,I was reffering to the whole thread as a whole when commenting about China, not you specifically. Jesus Christ we get a little defensive around here.

How does that change the fact that you were being a pedantic little hatfucker? It's not like anyone was taking the notion that China would be pro-Bush seriously but you. The opening post states in black and white that they're not, for fuck's sake.

Secondly, you still have failed to show me any specific examples.

There's another thread in this forum dealing with Bush's arrogance toward the Supreme Court and its rulings on treatment of prisoners already, fucktard. You see that mouse sitting on your computer desk? Use it.

Are you telling me you would jeopardize national security for the convenience of a few that may end up being mass murderers?

I guess you and Benjamin Franklin wouldn't have gotten along too well.

Times do change, as was evident by the events of 9/11. If you can provide an alternative solution to hampering terrorist efforts inside the U.S., I'd be interested in hearing it.

See "false dilemma fallacy".

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-11-01 01:37pm

Yarcamos wrote:
Ma Deuce wrote: How do you think things would be if the Bush Administration had the same power they do?
There would be a Civil War.

How? By implying a hypothetical scenario where Bush has the same power as the Chinese political leaders, that also implies the complete and absolute loyalty of the military (as is the case in China). This means that any insurrection would be brutally crushed, Tianamen-style...

Yarcamos · Post by **Yarcamos** » 2004-11-01 01:41pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Yarcamos wrote:
It's a joke, you pedantic hatfucker. Grow the fuck up.
First off,I was reffering to the whole thread as a whole when commenting about China, not you specifically. Jesus Christ we get a little defensive around here.
How does that change the fact that you were being a pedantic little hatfucker? It's not like anyone was taking the notion that China would be pro-Bush seriously but you. The opening post states in black and white that they're not, for fuck's sake.

Said joy division, "When has China ever been for Bush?" Said arctic series, "dude. everyone's against bush, always have been." Said jmac, "The Chinese do believe in self-preservation, afterall, there are rumors that Bush's advisors have received word of The Shep Solution." Said Sam Or I, "Did you all forget the recon plane incident? Of course China is against Bush."

So... you choose to ignore the rest of these people at least taking this somewhat seriously and single me out as a "pedantic hatfucker?" Pray tell... why?

There's another thread in this forum dealing with Bush's arrogance toward the Supreme Court and its rulings on treatment of prisoners already, fucktard. You see that mouse sitting on your computer desk? Use it.

Christ, my bad. I'll check it out. Why the hell are you so anal about it. If you would have simply reffered me to it I would still have checked it out. You don't have to act like an ass to get what you want.

I guess you and Benjamin Franklin wouldn't have gotten along too well.

Perhaps the fact that "times change" didn't register with you.

See "false dilemma fallacy".

So you can't provide an alternative solution?

Yarcamos · Post by **Yarcamos** » 2004-11-01 01:42pm

Ma Deuce wrote:
Yarcamos wrote:
Ma Deuce wrote: How do you think things would be if the Bush Administration had the same power they do?
There would be a Civil War.
How? By implying a hypothetical scenario where Bush has the same power as the Chinese political leaders, that also implies the complete and absolute loyalty of the military (as is the case in China). This means that any insurrection would be brutally crushed, Tianamen-style...

True... but let's pretend that this does happen and Bush or any other U.S. president garners enough power to make this happen. I'd say it's at least a possibility the citizens and specific national guard units would rebel and take arms against the federal government.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-11-01 01:44pm

Yarcamos:

Here's your challenge. Show the Times Changed on September the Eleventh. Show how. Show why we should ignore the wealth of terrorist attacks in the world and declare the 'world changed' then. Or concede nothing did. I await your response.