Fraud or disenfranchisement.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-11-01 08:59pm

Given that politics is done by humans, some of each must occur. Which would you prefer to come down on: The dead, canine, and just plain imaginary voting, or preventing real people from voting.

Spice Runner · Post by **Spice Runner** » 2004-11-01 09:16pm

Both are wrong; however, while voter fraud is a terrible thing, denying someone the right to vote is just dispiccable.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-11-01 09:51pm

A single incident of disenfranchisement takes one person's right to vote away completely. A single incident of fraud takes a tiny portion of everyone's right to vote away (by diluting their legitimate votes with fake ones). Both are dispicable.

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2004-11-01 10:15pm

Fraud is less acceptable to me.

And you all spell despicable wrong.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-11-02 12:27am

find Fraud to be somewhat more repugnant

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-11-02 12:43am

Disenfranchisement on principle is worse to me.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-11-02 01:32am

I feel worse about disenfranchisement.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2004-11-02 01:34am

Fraud doesn't deny an actual individual's right to participate in democracy

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2004-11-02 01:37am

Disenfranchisement more directly harms people, by keeping them out of the system. Fraud is part of disenfranchisement in a number of methods, so it comes in slightly underneath.

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2004-11-02 09:25am

They're the same effect by different means, so I can't say I'd rather have one over the other.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2004-11-02 09:32am

Vote Kerry! Me and a million dead people in Chicago can't possibly be wrong!

In all seriousness, I think disenfranchisement is more directly wrong, but fraud needs to be combatted too.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-11-02 10:25am

Well its starting all ready

Before voting even began in Philadelphia -- poll watchers found nearly 2000 votes already planted on machines scattered throughout the city... One incident occurred at the SALVATION ARMY, 2601 N. 11th St., Philadelphia, Pa: Ward 37, division 8... pollwatchers uncovered 4 machines with planted votes; one with over 200 and one with nearly 500... A second location, 1901 W. Girard Ave., Berean Institute, Philadelphia, Pa, had 300+ votes already on 2 machines at start of day... INCIDENT: 292 votes on machine at start of day; WARD/DIVISION: 7/7: ADDRESS: 122 W. Erie Ave., Roberto Clemente School, Philadelphia, Pa.; INCIDENT: 456 votes on machine at start of day; WARD/DIVISION: 12/3; ADDRESS: 5657 Chew Ave., storefront, Philadelphia, Pa... A gun was purposely made visible to scare poll watchers at Ward 30, division 11, at 905 S. 20th St., Grand Court. Police were called and surrounded the location... Pennsylvania GOP is going to file suit in the Court of Common Pleas in an effort to have the machines in question impounded and have them replaced 'with machines that did not already have votes on them'... Developing

http://www.drudgereport.com/

HMMMMM not really REPUB strong holds.... I wonder who could have tampered with the machines

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-11-02 11:18am

Let me know when there's a real source reporting that.

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