Pornography lunacy...

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2004-11-02 11:29am

MSPs back pornography ban calls
A committee of MSPs has backed a call to ban adult pornography in Scotland.
The Equal Opportunities Committee supported a petition claiming links between porn and sexual crimes and violence against women and children.

The document from Scottish Women Against Pornography urges parliament to define such material as incitement to sexual hatred and make it an offence.

The committee looks set to launch a inquiry after claiming that the issue has been ignored for too long.

However, any official probe would be subject to gaining further information and agreeing a remit with parliament.

Committee members acknowledged the potential difficulties of defining a law to introduce a ban on the porn industry but hoped it would be similar to that of incitement to racial hatred.

Labour's Elaine Smith led calls for an inquiry into the "big business" of pornography.

She said: "I think that since studies do exist showing the harmful effects they should signal to us the precautionary principle and they should be doing further research into it.

"I don't think we can ignore it any longer."

Fellow Labour committee member Marlyn Glen added: "It seems to me that the safety of women should be a real priority of the executive and the parliament and what we need is the political will to push that through."

The Scottish National Party's Sandra White, Green MSP Shona Baird and the Scottish Socialist Party's Frances Curran also backed an inquiry.

'Wealth of evidence'

Catherine Harper, of Scottish Women Against Pornography, said she was encouraged by the political support for the campaign.

She conceded that any legislation could take time but parliament needed to hear the "wealth of evidence" on the links between pornography and sexual violence.

Ms Harper went on: "I have high expectations. It was very, very encouraging to see the consensus of the committee that we need to look at this."

In May, the Scottish Executive said that its review of existing research had shown that for every study purporting to demonstrate a harmful link between the consumption of pornography, there was another which rejected the idea.

As such, it claims that establishing links between all pornography and abuse is a complex issue.

A spokeswoman said: "We have reviewed the relevant literature but believe that the relationship between the two remains unclear.

"While we have no plans to legislate we will, of course, continue to monitor the situation."

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-11-02 11:31am

Ack, they dinnae know what thar doin'.

Why does my second national home have to not only create the most expensive government building in history, but make stupid decisions in it too off the bat?

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-11-02 11:32am

*points and laughs

and you think we're fucked up.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2004-11-02 11:34am

I think tommorow morning I might go an' make use of my right to protest...what colour paint do you think would go best splashed over a half billion pound ikea style monstrosity?

salm · Post by **salm** » 2004-11-02 11:53am

that builiding is fucking beautyful.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2004-11-02 11:55am

salm wrote:that builiding is fucking beautyful.

I find that a price tag of about $797 million dollars sort of drops the general quality of the apperance. With that much money spent I could gold plate my shit and build a house out of it...

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-11-02 12:08pm

now that's just fucking stupid. it's as though they think sexual violence didn't exist before porn and they feel that it will somehow magically go away if they ban it. for once i'm surprised it didn't get brought up in the states first.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-11-02 12:08pm

A bright spark may throw this out. I hope.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2004-11-02 12:37pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:
salm wrote:that builiding is fucking beautyful.
I find that a price tag of about $797 million dollars sort of drops the general quality of the apperance. With that much money spent I could gold plate my shit and build a house out of it...

the difference is that your shit, even when gold plated, would still look like, well, shit.

but then 797 million dollars is a lot. i thought i had read something about 450 while 350 were planned. maybe that was 450 million pounds.

there was some big hassle around the architect enric mirales and he also died not too long ago or something. i didn´t follow it that closely, but was all of that because of the 100 million that were spent more? or were there planning errors, like leeking roofs, or something?

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-11-02 12:38pm

are there pictures of this building?

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2004-11-02 12:44pm

salm wrote:the difference is that your shit, even when gold plated, would still look like, well, shit.

but then 797 million dollars is a lot. i thought i had read something about 450 while 350 were planned. maybe that was 450 million pounds.

there was some big hassle around the architect enric mirales and he also died not too long ago or something. i didn´t follow it that closely, but was all of that because of the 100 million that were spent more? or were there planning errors, like leeking roofs, or something?

450 million is around about the £'s cost. The fact is the architect kept "improving" his "vision" as things went on and the price just kept on rolling...the insisted upon materials were just chosen for style reasons rather than practical ones...oh and it all came in over 10 TIMES over budget.

And to be honest, the place still does look like shit...it's only 10 minutes on the bus from me...I will say though that it does have good press facilities.

As for people dying, you'll likely be thinking of Donald Dewer (The first scottish first minister) who was the fellow originally behind this wonderful application of money. Since he's dead Lord Fraser decided he couldnt be called stupid for it...

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-11-02 12:46pm

I have to say, the picture in the article just cracks me up.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-11-02 12:51pm

pwn3d!

salm · Post by **salm** » 2004-11-02 01:02pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:are there pictures of this building?

my boss just finished photografing that building and i did the scanning and photoshop stuff. that´s where i know it from. but there´s not much on google. only these weird but cool windows that look kind of like the top view of a kilrathi fighter jet. but there are many more aspects the building has to offer. i like these stick sun blockers.

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2004-11-02 01:03pm

I think the poll on the BBC shows what people think of this bright idea.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2004-11-02 01:04pm

Sharp-kun wrote:I think the poll on the BBC shows what people think of this bright idea.

When I first got there only 60 odd people had voted.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2004-11-02 01:05pm

salm wrote:but there are many more aspects the building has to offer.

The total effect is often reffered to here as "an expensive mess".

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2004-11-02 06:50pm

I'm suprprised nobody has forced a joke about the Scottish and sheep buggering yet, given the premise of the topic. Well, I guess I'll have to do it myself:

Does her proposal only apply to pornography involing human females, or does it cover sheep porn as well? Because if it does, she won't stand a chance.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-11-02 06:52pm

Fool! The Welsh bugger sheep, not the Scots. Scots are fine people and my opinion of them is in no way influenced by my half-blood allegiance to that race of people.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2004-11-02 06:55pm

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote: Does her proposal only apply to pornography involing human females, or does it cover sheep porn as well? Because if it does, she won't stand a chance.

All adult pornography, but that makes me wonder if that means that stuff with lambs is classed as child porn...makes you think...