Bush 269-Kerry 242

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-11-03 02:50am

Looks like the results are starting to move up in everything.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-11-03 02:50am

Trogdor wrote:Anyone think the democrats will be able to retake the white house in 2008? I personally have no idea.

I would say that it is their election to win. The consequences of Bush's economic and foreign policies are going to come back to bite him on the ass with a vengeance if he doesn't do anything about them during the next four years, and they will carry over to the 2008 Republican candidate. It all depends on how well the Democrats assess what went wrong in 2004 and on what steps they take to fix it.

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2004-11-03 02:51am

Zed Snardbody wrote:I fear that I will never again see an election for my nations leader decided in one night as it has been done in my fathers time.

I fear that this election has brought about the death of the American democracy.

When I wake up tomorrow, my President will not be decided by the vote of the people, but by the army of lawyers that the two parties have seen fit to bring forth.

For the next four years I will see my nation descend further into the hellish field of partisan politics where we no longer look upon each other as citizens, but as liberal or conservative, as coward or war monger, as traitor and idiot.

I will see people who have lost faith in democracy and the principles of the nation, they will not be able to accept the leader of our nation because he will not be chosen by ballot, but by lawyer.

I see now that in this age, it is to much to ask for a simple answer.

Tonight, we will never see a gentleman’s concession again.

Tonight, I watched part of my nation die.
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Its dramatic yes, But right now its how I feel. Finally people care, they vote, and this is the result.

When the dust settles will the defeated really accept the winner if that winner is chosen by lawyer or a court, and not by the people?

Dramatic and corny because it's powerful and sincere. Never be ashamed.

I reiterate what I said in another thread... political parties are machines designed for the function of getting votes and win elections, just as businesses are machines for making money.

One cannot expect them to have principles, or firm ideals. They only adhere to them under duress, as much as the voters will force them to have.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2004-11-03 02:51am

Trogdor wrote:Anyone think the democrats will be able to retake the white house in 2008? I personally have no idea.

I think that Hillary Clinton will run. In spite of Sheps opposition

The Governator would, I think, if the US constituion was amended to allow it.

UCBooties · Post by **UCBooties** » 2004-11-03 02:52am

Zed Snardbody wrote:I fear that I will never again see an election for my nations leader decided in one night as it has been done in my fathers time.

I fear that this election has brought about the death of the American democracy.

When I wake up tomorrow, my President will not be decided by the vote of the people, but by the army of lawyers that the two parties have seen fit to bring forth.

For the next four years I will see my nation descend further into the hellish field of partisan politics where we no longer look upon each other as citizens, but as liberal or conservative, as coward or war monger, as traitor and idiot.

I will see people who have lost faith in democracy and the principles of the nation, they will not be able to accept the leader of our nation because he will not be chosen by ballot, but by lawyer.

I see now that in this age, it is to much to ask for a simple answer.

Tonight, we will never see a gentleman’s concession again.

Tonight, I watched part of my nation die.
---
Its dramatic yes, But right now its how I feel. Finally people care, they vote, and this is the result.

When the dust settles will the defeated really accept the winner if that winner is chosen by lawyer or a court, and not by the people?

Tonight I have vowed that though hope is gone, and peace is gone...

I will fight to keep this nation that I love a democracy, and it shall not die so long as I have the will to save it.

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2004-11-03 02:53am

The Dude wrote:CBS is reporting that the total number of provisional ballots is about 130,000 - which may end up being less than the margin of victory in Ohio at the end of the night.

That won't matter, unless he pulls in about 95% of what is traditionally a strong Republican showing.

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2004-11-03 02:53am

UCBooties wrote:
Trogdor wrote:Anyone think the democrats will be able to retake the white house in 2008? I personally have no idea.
Toss up, personaly, I want McCain/Powell.

They could, but will they? I've heard McCain said he didn't want to try again.

And Zed, while things look bleak, I'd advise less pessimism. The presidency has been a joke before. America will survive four more years of Bush, worse for the wear but still intact. All we really need is one great hero that everyone thinks is just the man for the job of president. Have faith, America has seen shitty times similar to this before and gotten through it.

And with that, I say goodnight to you all. Hopefully, Ohio will no longer be purple when I awaken.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-11-03 02:53am

Zed Snardbody wrote:snip

*golf clap*

Well-said.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2004-11-03 02:55am

Trogdor wrote: All we really need is one great hero that everyone thinks is just the man for the job of president.

John Wayne is dead and the Governator cant run..you are Dooooomed!

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-11-03 02:57am

Stuart Mackey wrote:
Trogdor wrote: All we really need is one great hero that everyone thinks is just the man for the job of president.
John Wayne is dead and the Governator cant run..you are Dooooomed!

McCain could take it, if he would.

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2004-11-03 02:58am

Rogue 9 wrote:
Stuart Mackey wrote:
Trogdor wrote: All we really need is one great hero that everyone thinks is just the man for the job of president.
John Wayne is dead and the Governator cant run..you are Dooooomed!
McCain could take it, if he would.

So could Powell. If he would run.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-11-03 02:59am

Good, good. If Kerry can take Ohio and Wisconsin, he'll win by two votes. If Bush gets Iowa, New Mexico, and Nevada, he'll still be two votes short. Ladies and gentlemen, we still have a chance!

UCBooties · Post by **UCBooties** » 2004-11-03 02:59am

In 16 years I'll be elligible to run. Vote Michael W. (no not Wong) in 2020, maybe I could do a decent job of it.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-11-03 03:00am

JME2 wrote:Good, good. If Kerry can take Ohio and Wisconsin, he'll win by two votes. If Bush gets Iowa, New Mexico, and Nevada, he'll still be two votes short. Ladies and gentlemen, we still have a chance!

It's been pretty clear for at least two hours that Ohio most likely won't be going to Kerry.

UCBooties · Post by **UCBooties** » 2004-11-03 03:00am

JME2 wrote:Good, good. If Kerry can take Ohio and Wisconsin, he'll win by two votes. If Bush gets Iowa, New Mexico, and Nevada, he'll still be two votes short. Ladies and gentlemen, we still have a chance!

I'm sorry, but OH is not going to happen... CNN's just stringing at this point

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2004-11-03 03:01am

Fluffy didn't carry a single state, alas. I was looking forward to him peeing on the Bastille...

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-11-03 03:01am

Bush leads in Ohio by nearly 140K, and it's at 98%.

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2004-11-03 03:01am

JME2 wrote:Good, good. If Kerry can take Ohio and Wisconsin, he'll win by two votes. If Bush gets Iowa, New Mexico, and Nevada, he'll still be two votes short. Ladies and gentlemen, we still have a chance!

We do, but its a slim one. Who knows? All could turn out well. Im not going to say a damn thing until the provisional ballots are counted in 11 days. But Im feeling pretty sick right about now. How did it happen...?

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2004-11-03 03:03am

Bugsby wrote:
JME2 wrote:Good, good. If Kerry can take Ohio and Wisconsin, he'll win by two votes. If Bush gets Iowa, New Mexico, and Nevada, he'll still be two votes short. Ladies and gentlemen, we still have a chance!
We do, but its a slim one. Who knows? All could turn out well. Im not going to say a damn thing until the provisional ballots are counted in 11 days. But Im feeling pretty sick right about now. How did it happen...?

The estimate for provisional ballots is around 130k. Kerry would have to pull well over 90% of them. And they traditionally tend Republican.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-11-03 03:04am

Screwy as it seems, the Electoral College is the only thing that can save the day at this point. Get enough of Bush's electors to go to Kerry to bring Bush down to 269, or better yet McCain. That gives it to Kerry in the first instance, or sends it to the House in the second, where the Democrats would be forced to join with Republican moderates to put McCain in rather than Kerry, who cannot win in the House.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-11-03 03:05am

I don't think the Republicians would rebel man.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-11-03 03:05am

That will never happen. Rogue electors are uber-rare; you could count the amount of them throughout American history on your hands.

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2004-11-03 03:06am

hey, if theres a 269-269 split, there might be a defecting elector. I heard Wolf Blitzer mention one of the West VA electors was talking about voting Kerry, not Bush. THAT would be a hell of a thing.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-11-03 03:06am

frigidmagi wrote:I don't think the Republicians would rebel man.

With results like this, it's delusional,

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2004-11-03 03:06am

Rogue 9 wrote:Screwy as it seems, the Electoral College is the only thing that can save the day at this point. Get enough of Bush's electors to go to Kerry to bring Bush down to 269, or better yet McCain. That gives it to Kerry in the first instance, or sends it to the House in the second, where the Democrats would be forced to join with Republican moderates to put McCain in rather than Kerry, who cannot win in the House.

Alright, you're delerious now.