Bush 269-Kerry 242

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2004-11-03 06:58am

I wouldn't expect an end to people complaining about Bush and his various policies if I where you Shep.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-11-03 07:00am

TheDarkling wrote:I wouldn't expect an end to people complaining about Bush and his various policies if I where you Shep.

Yes yes, but for a single day/night we get our sweet moment....

"You have your moments, not many of them, but you have them"

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-11-03 07:01am

MKSheppard wrote:
Most of the posts were "OMGLOL Bush sucks!" bluntly, followed by
said posters fellating themselves over either YEAAAAAAAARGH
or Lurch.

Were they fuck as like. Have you been asleep for the past year? There have been plenty of threads detailing Bush's shortcomings politically both in the US and in the world. If it's not his pathetic quest to find WMDs that don't exist in Iraq, it's producing a record breaking national deficit with insane tax breaks for the rich.

It was hardly ad hominems without backing.

He has his senate record to prove himself.

I meant as POTUS. That's a whole different ballgame.

Speaking of which, anyone seen Iceberg?

Don't start. It's one thing to do this suff in general, but don't even bother personally rubbing the salt in the wounds of people who have to come to terms with defeat now. I thought you'd be a little more sportsmanlike, guess I'm wrong.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-11-03 07:02am

Seriously, Shep, please, just stop.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-11-03 07:07am

Admiral Valdemar wrote:Have you been asleep for the past year?

Unfortunately no. I am however compressing over a year's worth of N&P
posts into a single paragraph. Real heavy loss in compression there.

I meant as POTUS. That's a whole different ballgame.

Well, now he can fade away into the background. Good thing he didn't
resign his senate seat.

Don't start. It's one thing to do this suff in general, but don't even bother personally rubbing the salt in the wounds of people who have to come to terms with defeat now. I thought you'd be a little more sportsmanlike, guess I'm wrong.

Oh bullshit. Iceberg has been one of the most rabidly partisan people
on this board during this election cycle. He stepped over the line in
so many different ways it's not funny, with outright generalizations of
Republicans as being white-robe wearing Klansmen

Linka

Iceberg wrote:This is real. And utterly sick. THIS is what you're supporting, conservatives. Your side is the side of nigger-baiting and lynch mobs.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2004-11-03 07:08am

Blair just got a big laugh in the house.

"I would thank to congratulate President....... Karzai of Afghanistan".

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-11-03 07:11am

TheDarkling wrote:"I would thank to congratulate President....... Karzai of Afghanistan".

Heh heh heh

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-11-03 07:14am

MKSheppard wrote:
Unfortunately no. I am however compressing over a year's worth of N&P
posts into a single paragraph. Real heavy loss in compression there.

I think that paragraph speaks for itself.

Well, now he can fade away into the background. Good thing he didn't
resign his senate seat.

That wouldn't bother me one bit. It means fresh blood most likely to become president in 2008. I'm sure the Dems will have a better chance.

Oh bullshit. Iceberg has been one of the most rabidly partisan people
on this board during this election cycle. He stepped over the line in
so many different ways it's not funny, with outright generalizations of
Republicans as being white-robe wearing Klansmen

Linka

Iceberg wrote:This is real. And utterly sick. THIS is what you're supporting, conservatives. Your side is the side of nigger-baiting and lynch mobs.

I don't care if Ice formed a small band of merry men and went to graffiti the Whitehouse. I'm telling you to quit it and I shall do the same to anyone taking the sour grapes thing too far as well. Can't we just accept Bush is in, Kerry is out and the world is still revolving without getting into a penis waving contest over which side won and how the other sucks?

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-11-03 07:18am

Iceberg i think you just crossed the fine line between free speech and slander.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-11-03 07:18am

Admiral Valdemar wrote:I don't care if Ice formed a small band of merry men and went to graffiti the Whitehouse. I'm telling you to quit it.

No. I won't quit it. Not when Iceberg slandered me and pretty much every
conservative on this board a few days ago, by accusing us of supporting
'nigger baiting and lynch mobs'.

That is personally offensive to me for personal reasons, which I will tell you if you ask me via PM.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-11-03 07:21am

I'm not taking sides here. I will not personally tolerate shit being thrown in either direction, but two wrongs do not a right make. If Ice crossed the line in the sand, then don't jump right on over to his side of it. You're only going to show yourself up if you reply in kind and end up making a bigger clusterfuck in the process.

So just end it now and let it go. It's not worth crying over spilled milk.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-11-03 07:23am

Admiral Valdemar wrote:So just end it now and let it go. It's not worth crying over spilled milk.

No. Iceberg made it personal with his vicious slander of me by inclusion. If you PM me I will tell you why.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-11-03 07:32am

Can we just temporarily lock the election threads? It's been a long night or day for everyone, and I see some very unpleasant shit going down if it continues. Whatever partisanisms we may unleash in honest debate and political discussion, no matter how venal, we should not allow them to rip apart the board proper simply for the sake of payback.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-11-03 07:34am

I would back a temp. lock for now. People will be tired and overseeing the results. We can debate this when everyone's refreshed and not so emotional.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2004-11-03 07:36am

Has the winner been called yet?

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-11-03 07:36am

all of them? fuck no. It;s now morning on the East Cost and people are waking up and looking to talk politics. Maybe this one thread because it is just too long. But not the others.

Prozac the Robert · Post by **Prozac the Robert** » 2004-11-03 07:37am

The difference between the actuall polls and the exit polls doesn't suprise me that much. In, uh, 92 I think, Labour had become reasonably moderate after getting rid of some of their most extreme policies and were promising to rebuild public services with some sort of increase in tax.

People claimed to want this, and almost everyone in England believes that public services are important, but a lot of people voted with their pockets. I think a lot of labour supporters where sure they were going to win.

In 97 Labour rebranded themselves as New Labour. They promissed no increase in invcome tax, and took over in a land slide. They have managed to keep that promise. People have willing to ignore all the little tax increases elsewhere that pay for the increased spending since and vote labour again. Not sure it will continue, but there is tendancy for people to vote for the people in power unless they screw up really badly.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-11-03 07:37am

Shinova wrote:Has the winner been called yet?

Not officially, IIRC. It's reasonable to say that Bush has won by a clear margin though.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-11-03 07:40am

Prozac the Robert wrote:The difference between the actuall polls and the exit polls doesn't suprise me that much. In, uh, 92 I think, Labour had become reasonably moderate after getting rid of some of their most extreme policies and were promising to rebuild public services with some sort of increase in tax.

People claimed to want this, and almost everyone in England believes that public services are important, but a lot of people voted with their pockets. I think a lot of labour supporters where sure they were going to win.

In 97 Labour rebranded themselves as New Labour. They promissed no increase in invcome tax, and took over in a land slide. They have managed to keep that promise. People have willing to ignore all the little tax increases elsewhere that pay for the increased spending since and vote labour again. Not sure it will continue, but there is tendancy for people to vote for the people in power unless they screw up really badly.

The New Labour movement was created in answer to the New Democrat experiment in the US and has proved popular. I do know people who will still vote for Blair even though they dislike Bush and acknowledge some of the errors Blair has made himself. I wouldn't call them fanatics that vote for someone because of their party allegiance rather than track record, though they do seem to have a higher tolerance of failure than others I can name.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-11-03 07:42am

all of them? fuck no. It;s now morning on the East Cost and people are waking up and looking to talk politics. Maybe this one thread because it is just too long. But not the others.

Good point. Maybe just have a mod on standby with a gun shooting any obvious flamebait.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-11-03 07:44am

I'm going for a siesta now, so don't count on me as referee here, someone else can monitor this rather than outright lock it.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-11-03 07:47am

Col. Crackpot wrote:Iceberg i think you just crossed the fine line between free speech and slander.

and that suprises you.... after calling all of us Raicsts..... ... Iceberg is a Hater....

Post by **fgalkin** » 2004-11-03 08:27am

Shep, I can almost hear you furiously pleasuring yourself from here.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

UCBooties · Post by **UCBooties** » 2004-11-03 08:28am

Col. Crackpot wrote:
MKSheppard wrote:
UCBooties wrote:I will fight to keep this nation that I love a democracy, and it shall not die so long as I have the will to save it.
So a three million vote advantage plus the EV advantage when
the democraps finally concede Ohio and the other states, which
are mathematically impossible for Kerrry to win is the destruction
of Democracy?

I knew Bush was the anti-christ, But SHEEZE, you guys are making
out like he's some kind of Augusto Pinochet.
exactly! For the first time since 1988 we have a legitimately elected president ( at leat 50% of the popular vote) Booties, Just because your guy didn't win doesn't mean democracy is dead, moron.

OK, first of all it was late and I was a bit upset. Second, if you will look at the post I was responding to, it was not a lament of Bush's victory, but Kerry's plan not to succede, not the death of Democracy, but the end of civility and acceptance within democracy. THe Dem decision to litigate will only harm people's perceptions of democracy, and voting, so shut up and read what that was in context to before you start flaming me.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-11-03 08:28am

fgalkin wrote:Shep, I can almost hear you furiously pleasuring yourself from here.

Don't you mean "Doing unnatural acts with aquatic mammals"