I'm just wondering here what the general consensus is on when the election became a foregone point. Was there a tipping point in this election where Bush was destined to win, or was it just neck and neck all the way to the finish line?
Or did Kerry start to go under when the Shit Boat Liars started launching their torpedoes? (I just love that line from Elfdart)
Did the missing explosives story narrow the lead?
Bleh, I'm just randomyzing here, trying to start SOMETHING constructive
rather than just going around like a insane lunatic gibbering
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MKSheppard wrote:I'm just wondering here what the general consensus is on when the election became a foregone point. Was there a tipping point in this election where Bush was destined to win, or was it just neck and neck all the way to the finish line?
Or did Kerry start to go under when the Shit Boat Liars started launching their torpedoes? (I just love that line from Elfdart)
Did the missing explosives story narrow the lead?
Bleh, I'm just randomyzing here, trying to start SOMETHING constructive
rather than just going around like a insane lunatic gibbering
What happened was... Bush got his base to vote.. Way more then in 2000 and The "Get out the Vote" for young people did not work... and Now He has won the first Popular vote and Electoral since 1988
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Like theski said, he got his base to go out and vote. From what I've seen, the rate of voting amoung young people was along the same lines as the last election, proving that giving us young'uns the right to vote really didn't change much
I believe that was the tipping point, since all around my Uni, for example, the place was swamped Pro-Kerry. Had more of us gone out and voted...
But Congratulations.
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I told my friends that there was no way Kerry could win and I was right. I didn't know it would be this close. Too bad the Electoral College wasn't discredited further.
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It was pretty disconcerting to see so much of the map go red. Made me feel just a teensy bit alienated from a lot of my country. Now I guess the real question is, how many of those states did Bush win because of secular and fiscal issues, and how many for his views on moral issues. Not that we could ever realy know that, but it would be a more telling picture of how much or little I have in common with a big swath of my country.
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StarshipTitanic wrote:I told my friends that there was no way Kerry could win and I was right. I didn't know it would be this close. Too bad the Electoral College wasn't discredited further.
You do realize. Bush won the Popular vote too don't you??
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StarshipTitanic wrote:I told my friends that there was no way Kerry could win and I was right. I didn't know it would be this close. Too bad the Electoral College wasn't discredited further.
heathen! without the electoral college we wouldn't have the big pretty map with light up colors. Besides, the popular vote gap is widening and approaching 4 million votes.
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Basically, Kerry needed to be something more than just the Un-Bush, and he did not meet that challenge. He also needed to show a lot more drive and wherewithal than that of a haunted tree (loved that characterisation) and he failed there as well. He needed to be more on the attack, and it did not help at all that he let a whole month's worth of orchestrated slander go unanswered. And finally, he utterly failed to spell out his goals for the office and his plans in clear-cut terms, but that's part-and-parcel with not simply being the Un-Bush.
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StarshipTitanic wrote:I told my friends that there was no way Kerry could win and I was right. I didn't know it would be this close. Too bad the Electoral College wasn't discredited further.
You do realize. Bush won the Popular vote too don't you??
It was discredited in 2000. It wasn't discredited in 2004. That's why it wasn't discredited further.
Col. Crackpot wrote:heathen! without the electoral college we wouldn't have the big pretty map with light up colors. Besides, the popular vote gap is widening and approaching 4 million votes.
Yes, four million out of 100,000,000 voters.
"Man's unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true rather than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible has always astounded me...God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist." -- Academician Prokhor Zakharov
"Hal grabs life by the balls and doesn't let you do that [to] hal."
"I hereby declare myself master of the known world."
StarshipTitanic wrote:I told my friends that there was no way Kerry could win and I was right. I didn't know it would be this close. Too bad the Electoral College wasn't discredited further.
You do realize. Bush won the Popular vote too don't you??
It was discredited in 2000. It wasn't discredited in 2004. That's why it wasn't discredited further.
Col. Crackpot wrote:heathen! without the electoral college we wouldn't have the big pretty map with light up colors. Besides, the popular vote gap is widening and approaching 4 million votes.
Yes, four million out of 100,000,000 voters.
What is your point??
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"Man's unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true rather than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible has always astounded me...God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist." -- Academician Prokhor Zakharov
"Hal grabs life by the balls and doesn't let you do that [to] hal."
"I hereby declare myself master of the known world."
On second thought, it was inappropriate to call Bush supporters "rednecks". The correct term is "bible-humping evangelical/fundamentalist asshats." That's who most of them are, anyways.
fgalkin wrote:On second thought, it was inappropriate to call Bush supporters "rednecks". The correct term is "bible-humping evangelical/fundamentalist asshats." That's who most of them are, anyways.
Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin
Good to see you are not bitter... and Must really hurt that there are 4 million more then voted for Kerry....
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theski wrote:
I am just unclear to your point about the Popular Vote...and discrediting the Electoral college
Electoral College: It would have been hilarious if Bush won it but lost the Electoral votes.
Popular Vote: I'm expressing my disdain for "first past the post" systems.
"Man's unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true rather than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible has always astounded me...God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist." -- Academician Prokhor Zakharov
"Hal grabs life by the balls and doesn't let you do that [to] hal."
"I hereby declare myself master of the known world."
fgalkin wrote:On second thought, it was inappropriate to call Bush supporters "rednecks". The correct term is "bible-humping evangelical/fundamentalist asshats." That's who most of them are, anyways.
Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin
Good to see you are not bitter... and Must really hurt that there are 4 million more then voted for Kerry....
Yes, and this surely has nothing to do with the 4 million "missing" evangelicals.
fgalkin wrote:On second thought, it was inappropriate to call Bush supporters "rednecks". The correct term is "bible-humping evangelical/fundamentalist asshats." That's who most of them are, anyways.
Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin
Good to see you are not bitter... and Must really hurt that there are 4 million more then voted for Kerry....
Yes, and this surely has nothing to do with the 4 million "missing" evangelicals.
Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin
I guess they voted... but dont lump all of us in that group..
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fgalkin wrote:On second thought, it was inappropriate to call Bush supporters "rednecks". The correct term is "bible-humping evangelical/fundamentalist asshats." That's who most of them are, anyways.
Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin
Hey! I hope you know that your lumbing every single US servicememeber in with that and I resent the bible-humping evangelical/fundamentalist part of that
Cause you know the Military hast to support the sitting president
By Law....
But the Vice President on the other hand
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theski wrote:GOt it... Sorry a bit slow this morning.... Up late celebrating...
That's good. I thought you were trying to start a fight or something. Hey look, a pro and anti Bush guy not arguing!
"Man's unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true rather than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible has always astounded me...God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist." -- Academician Prokhor Zakharov
"Hal grabs life by the balls and doesn't let you do that [to] hal."
"I hereby declare myself master of the known world."
Besides, the popular vote gap is widening and approaching 4 million votes.
and Must really hurt that there are 4 million more then voted for Kerry....
