MKSheppard wrote:I'm just wondering here what the general consensus is on when the election became a foregone point. Was there a tipping point in this election where Bush was destined to win, or was it just neck and neck all the way to the finish line?
It was when Kerry was nominated, he was a terribly weak candidate to begin with. Really, it was Bush's election to win or lose after that.
Kerry didn't ever have the drive to win it; too many times he simply got lost. He should have staken out a clear, concise, and not bullshit-laced position and stuck to it. It was the issues, both secular and moral, that won Bush the election. Kerry tried too much to appeal to every one and take every side. That killed him because it diluted his message and allowed Bush to utterly trample him.
Kerry should have played a hard issues game, instead he tried to play Bush's game.
AdmiralKanos wrote:Watching the Americans right now is kind of like watching those neighbours who are living in Credit Heaven: maxing out their credit cards, having two mortgages on their home, parking their third SUV next to the fire hydrant, going on vacations they can't afford, holding loud parties late at night, and burning their bridges because they don't need them. You sort of envy their luxury and happiness while waiting for their house of cards to collapse so you can say "I told you so."
When the bank forecloses on our house and stuff can we stay on your couch?
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AdmiralKanos wrote:Watching the Americans right now is kind of like watching those neighbours who are living in Credit Heaven: maxing out their credit cards, having two mortgages on their home, parking their third SUV next to the fire hydrant, going on vacations they can't afford, holding loud parties late at night, and burning their bridges because they don't need them. You sort of envy their luxury and happiness while waiting for their house of cards to collapse so you can say "I told you so."
When the bank forecloses on our house and stuff can we stay on your couch?
Better idea...
We claim Toronto is a massive storage facility for WMD, then we invade it.
We claim Toronto is a massive storage facility for WMD, then we invade it.
Please don't give the Bush team ideas...
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I detest being lumped in with the rednecks and the ignorant. I voted Bush because I believe in the conservative fiscal policies, and am a moderate-leaning-right on social issues. The Republican gets my vote by default unless the Democratic canidate can pull it away. Which he FAILED TO DO.
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You believe in conservative fiscal policies so you voted for Mr. "tax the poor to pay Haliburton while running up a $500 billion deficit on pork-barrel spending"? So sorry you don't like being lumped in with rednecks, but you deserve to be. Especially if you lean his way on social issues.
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fgalkin wrote:The rednecks have spoken. it was quite sad, really, seeing all the red on the map and realizing how backwards America really is.
Have a very nice day.
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Blah blah.... whine whine.....
Its true, dumbfuck. Are you really trying to refute that educated, urbane people are predominantly more liberal than uneducated rural people?
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StormtrooperOfDeath wrote:Alright, that was a lot to slough through.
I detest being lumped in with the rednecks and the ignorant. I voted Bush because I believe in the conservative fiscal policies, and am a moderate-leaning-right on social issues. The Republican gets my vote by default unless the Democratic canidate can pull it away. Which he FAILED TO DO.
Yeah, too bad Bush spent more in discresionary spending in his first three years than Big Bad Evil Klinton (tm) did in eight.
Some fiscal conservative. Either you're simply ignorant or you are self-delusional.
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Its true, dumbfuck. Are you really trying to refute that educated, urbane people are predominantly more liberal than uneducated rural people?
and more condescending I see....Yep there are no educated people in the Red states and No educated conservatives....
Yeah I am, and you're a prime example of stupid conservatism, as you don't grasp the difference between "predominantly" and "totally", causing you to make a blatent and embaressing strawman.
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Its true, dumbfuck. Are you really trying to refute that educated, urbane people are predominantly more liberal than uneducated rural people?
and more condescending I see....Yep there are no educated people in the Red states and No educated conservatives....
Yeah I am, and you're a prime example of stupid conservatism, as you don't grasp the difference between "predominantly" and "totally", causing you to make a blatent and embaressing strawman.
I understood your point ,but you use it so often you could mean everyone that voted for Bush.
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:Yeah I am, and you're a prime example of stupid conservatism, as you don't grasp the difference between "predominantly" and "totally", causing you to make a blatent and embaressing strawman.
I understood your point ,but you use it so often you could mean everyone that voted for Bush.
So in your mind, it's OK to use strawman distortions against an accurate statement if it is repeated often enough?
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:Yeah I am, and you're a prime example of stupid conservatism, as you don't grasp the difference between "predominantly" and "totally", causing you to make a blatent and embaressing strawman.
I understood your point ,but you use it so often you could mean everyone that voted for Bush.
So in your mind, it's OK to use strawman distortions against an accurate statement if it is repeated often enough?
Today it is. I Feel to good to care
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That should have been capital "C" Conservative. Which, ironically, isn't very conservative at all.
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StormtrooperOfDeath wrote:Alright, that was a lot to slough through.
I detest being lumped in with the rednecks and the ignorant. I voted Bush because I believe in the conservative fiscal policies, and am a moderate-leaning-right on social issues. The Republican gets my vote by default unless the Democratic canidate can pull it away. Which he FAILED TO DO.
Yeah, too bad Bush spent more in discresionary spending in his first three years than Big Bad Evil Klinton (tm) did in eight.
Some fiscal conservative. Either you're simply ignorant or you are self-delusional.
It takes money to make money. I've learned this lesson well from my father, who bases his business on that and is doing better than he ever dreamed.
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Darth Wong wrote:If you're in university, look around you right now. Look at the people you see wandering around campus or going to bars. Do you seriously have to ask yourself why they didn't vote? I remember how people were when I was that age, and I doubt it's changed.
Maybe there's hope for the next election. To my greatest surprise, my 18 year old nephew voted last night. He just turned 18 September 30th.
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I know a few young people that voted, surprisingly alot of them seem to be a new wave of conservitives. (Still the majority seems to be liberal, but not as overwhelmingly as before.)
Sam Or I wrote:I know a few young people that voted, surprisingly alot of them seem to be a new wave of conservitives. (Still the majority seems to be liberal, but not as overwhelmingly as before.)
Nationally, the youth vote still seemed quite liberal. Kerry won about 2 out of every 3 youth votes--in line with his success with the elderly.
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StormtrooperOfDeath wrote:It takes money to make money. I've learned this lesson well from my father, who bases his business on that and is doing better than he ever dreamed.
So because Bush spends money, he obviously has a good reason to? And how much does spent bullet casing make in the Iraqi desert?
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BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:The really irritating part is that Fox News is spinning the result as an overwhleming backlash against "secularism".... fuckers.
You're kidding?
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We claim Toronto is a massive storage facility for WMD, then we invade it.
Please don't give the Bush team ideas...
Ah Ha! I knew it! The CN Tower looks exactly like a long range missle with a massive warhead! The CIA and Pentagon are sure Canada could threathen US, Europe and Israel with it!
We must press the UN to begin inspections of the Toronto WMD sites. If they refuse the a coalition of the willing will act to ensure freedom and liberty!
Iceberg wrote:Fuck fair, this is WAR. EVERYTHING that goes wrong over the next two, four and six years MUST be laid at the GOP's doorstep. FEAR SELLS, SO NUKE THE FUCKING GOP, DO IT EARLY, DO IT OFTEN AND DO IT SO MUCH THAT NOBODY HAS THE CHANCE TO THINK ABOUT IT.
Falling into typical Democrat mode eh Icey? Problem is they tried that on
Bush, back in 2000 with the drunken arrest, then again and again and again
and again with all those half assed "surprises" like the CBS memo mess,
the "missing explosives", etc etc.
I really can't see any of the claims you make sticking, now that the
GOP took all the concentrated firepower of the DNC and it's mass
media allies and won with a massive PV advantage plus the EV.
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StormtrooperOfDeath wrote:It takes money to make money. I've learned this lesson well from my father, who bases his business on that and is doing better than he ever dreamed.
So because Bush spends money, he obviously has a good reason to? And how much does spent bullet casing make in the Iraqi desert?
I think the real question is are those casing made in America by American workers.
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