Bush wins without Ohio.... Final Numbers (Not Really)

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-11-04 09:44am

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presid ... Final.html

BUSH 296 KERRY 242

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-11-04 09:48am

Wasn't even that close. What i can't figure out is how in the hell did Kerry lose ground from Al Gore who was far less appealing a candidate? On a side note, Maryland has 10 electoral votes?

Are they stacking people on top of each other down there?

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-11-04 09:51am

Post by **fgalkin** » 2004-11-04 10:47am

That map is bullshit. C-Span gives Wisconsin to Kerry.

Name Party Votes Pct
Bush, George (i) Rep 1,477,122 49.36
Kerry, John Dem 1,488,935 49.76
Badnarik, Michael Lib 6,456 .22
Cobb, David Grn 2,674 .09
Nader, Ralph Ind 16,324 .55
Harris, James Ind 414 .01
Brown, Walter Ind 465 .02

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2004-11-04 10:47am

The pain, the pain.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2004-11-04 12:14pm

fgalkin wrote:That map is bullshit. C-Span gives Wisconsin to Kerry.

Name Party Votes Pct
Bush, George (i) Rep 1,477,122 49.36
Kerry, John Dem 1,488,935 49.76
Badnarik, Michael Lib 6,456 .22
Cobb, David Grn 2,674 .09
Nader, Ralph Ind 16,324 .55
Harris, James Ind 414 .01
Brown, Walter Ind 465 .02

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

as does CNN. and CNN does not have New Mexico or Iowa assigned yet to one or the other.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-11-04 12:31pm

Don't you need 270 electoral votes to win?

CJvR · Post by **CJvR** » 2004-11-04 12:40pm

I think that map is a prediction, accurate except for Wisconsin. With Wis for Kerry Ohio become the decider. Wis was very close though and a Bush win there would have been as decisive as the Ohio win.

CelesKnight · Post by **CelesKnight** » 2004-11-04 10:02pm

Bush is closing in on Kerry in WI now that absentee and military ballots are being counted. However, I was not aware that Bush was actually in the lead yet.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-11-04 10:10pm

CJvR wrote:I think that map is a prediction, accurate except for Wisconsin. With Wis for Kerry Ohio become the decider. Wis was very close though and a Bush win there would have been as decisive as the Ohio win.

Doesn't matter to theski who's been spamming up the forum with his Bush gloating for a couple days now.

Post by **Dalton** » 2004-11-05 01:12am

Final my ass. You're fucking full of shit, Ski.

Fire Fly · Post by **Fire Fly** » 2004-11-05 01:30am

Final count is:

BUSH 286 KERRY 252

Wisconsin went to Kerry, not Bush.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-11-05 01:38am

Thread title changed to reflect factual accuracy.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2004-11-05 09:28am

So.. only 20 states out of 50 went Democrat?

*whimpers*

CelesKnight · Post by **CelesKnight** » 2004-11-05 06:48pm

LadyTevar wrote:So.. only 20 states out of 50 went Democrat?

*whimpers*

I count 19--DC isn't a state. Although, I admin that I could have miscounted.

BTW, this doesn't bode well for the Democrates. Overtime, I suspect that there will be fewer and fewer no Republican senators from the blue states, and fewer Democrates from the southern states. The Repubs could soon have a long-term filibuster proof majority in the Senate.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-11-05 06:57pm

CelesKnight wrote:
LadyTevar wrote:So.. only 20 states out of 50 went Democrat?

*whimpers*
I count 19--DC isn't a state. Although, I admin that I could have miscounted.

*snickers* You guys both miscounted. Only 18 states went for Kerry. 32 voted for Bush. 95% of the counties, nationally, voted for Bush.

The Democrats can do okay in national elections that depend more on popular votes, like the House of Representatives, but unless they significantly reform their images, they will lose elections in the Senate and the governor positions since they have fewer states on their side. The Dems are simply not competitive in the South, anymore, which means that the Republicans will be able to dominate Congress, and likely means that they'll be able to dominate the Courts unless the Democrats expand their base--something they're proving unable to do.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-11-05 07:09pm

Well, it's 19 if you go by electoral vote areas. Where DC has three. Or something like that.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-11-05 07:12pm

neoolong wrote:Well, it's 19 if you go by electoral vote areas. Where DC has three. Or something like that.

You can make it even more if you break up Maine into its constituent districts and such, but only 18 full states actually voted for Kerry.

CelesKnight · Post by **CelesKnight** » 2004-11-05 08:26pm

Master of Ossus wrote: *snickers* You guys both miscounted. Only 18 states went for Kerry.

WA OR CA HI
MN IL WI MI
PA NY ME RI
MA CT NJ DE
MD VT NH

Looks like 19 to me.