20% of the gay vote went to Bush???

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2004-11-04 04:45pm

Now, I've come across some incredibly inconsistant arguments for Bush from gay men, and I've come across some incredibly ignorant arguments for Bush from gay men, and I've never understood how they could support someone who is blatantly for preventing social equity for the GLBT community.

I doubt that exit polls are overly accurate, but if this is true, I weep....

Advocate article.

mauldooku · Post by **mauldooku** » 2004-11-04 04:51pm

Frank Hipper wrote:Now, I've come across some incredibly inconsistant arguments for Bush from gay men, and I've come across some incredibly ignorant arguments for Bush from gay men, and I've never understood how they could support someone who is blatantly for preventing social equity for the GLBT community.

I doubt that exit polls are overly accurate, but if this is true, I weep....

Advocate article.

"Yeah, this guy wants to remove our specific minority's rights, and set back social progress for decades...but I'm voting for him!"

It's simply unbelievable. I've often heard people justify their bigotry because it doesn't hit home for them; they're happy to restrict the rights of others as long as their own are untouched. Obviously, it's immoral and blatantly unfair, but I can at least understand that as sort of a 'us vs. them' mentality. But when you're actively trying to make yourself a second-class citizen? It boggles the mind.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-11-04 04:53pm

Another indicator of how much thought went into voting.

Flakin · Post by **Flakin** » 2004-11-04 04:55pm

Well, I know that two of my gay friends down here in Mississippi voted for Kerry...

... but a lesbian friend of mine not only voted for Bush (no pun intended), but despite her having a live in partner she also voted for the ban on gay marriage as an amendment to the state constitution.

She said it 'wasn't right' that two people of the same sex should marry.

I promise on my eyes that this is 100% truth.

F.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-11-04 04:58pm

Flakin wrote:Well, I know that two of my gay friends down here in Mississippi voted for Kerry...

... but a lesbian friend of mine not only voted for Bush (no pun intended), but despite her having a live in partner she also voted for the ban on gay marriage as an amendment to the state constitution.

She said it 'wasn't right' that two people of the same sex should marry.

I promise on my eyes that this is 100% truth.

F.

Probably just as well she's a lesbian. We wouldn't want her stupid genes going on any further.

Fire Fly · Post by **Fire Fly** » 2004-11-04 04:58pm

That would be the devoutly religious gay folks and gays who were Republicans from the beginning. I've met a few and despite what has been presented, they still would prefer the President's religious morality to Kerry's secularism. One gay man who I talked to said he would vote for the President and I asked him why. He responded by saying, "Because I am a devout Catholic." I ask him why he would still support the President because he had tried to make an attempt at putting a ban on gay marriage. He responded, "I personally think that marriage really is a thing just for heterosexuals. Besides, my partner and I already get benefits from our work." I asked him why would he still support the President on the gay ammendment ban, even if he already had benefits, that there would be so many more who would not. No response this time.

I guess religious "morality" over rides even basic principles, as the exit polls keep saying.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-11-04 04:59pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:Another indicator of how much thought went into voting.

Or perhaps some people vote with more than their genitals?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-11-04 05:00pm

Stormbringer wrote: Or perhaps some people vote with more than their genitals?

That may be so. I'll tell you what she wasn't voting with, and that particular organ resides in the skull.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2004-11-04 05:00pm

Okay, it is now a fact: America is ass-backwards.

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2004-11-04 05:01pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:Another indicator of how much thought went into voting.
Or perhaps some people vote with more than their genitals?

Well regardless of what they're using it's obviously not their brains...

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-11-04 05:04pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Stormbringer wrote: Or perhaps some people vote with more than their genitals?
That may be so. I'll tell you what she wasn't voting with, and that particular organ resides in the skull.

Maybe so. Or it's possible that they've got other priorities.

darthdavid wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:Another indicator of how much thought went into voting.
Or perhaps some people vote with more than their genitals?
Well regardless of what they're using it's obviously not their brains...

Wow, you can't even come up an original insult.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-11-04 05:09pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Maybe so. Or it's possible that they've got other priorities.

That would have to be the case for someone to discredit their own lifestyle and social crowd with a vote directly opposing equality for gays and lesbians.

The thing is, I can't see a reason to vote for Bush even on those non-gender related grounds which has me just as perplexed. Again, I'm sure it was down to Bush having a solid goal and Kerry being a montage of greys rather than black or white.

You can understand I'm still trying to understand this election result and odd voters like this don't help.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-11-04 05:11pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:That would have to be the case for someone to discredit their own lifestyle and social crowd with a vote directly opposing equality for gays and lesbians.

The thing is, I can't see a reason to vote for Bush even on those non-gender related grounds which has me just as perplexed. Again, I'm sure it was down to Bush having a solid goal and Kerry being a montage of greys rather than black or white.

You can understand I'm still trying to understand this election result and odd voters like this don't help.

I can't say as it makes much sense to me either with Bush pushing "moral values" as hard as he did. But I can understand how some one can be gay and vote Republican.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-11-04 05:14pm

Why is this a surprise to anyone? Many gays and lesbians are filled with self-loathing because of their religious indoctrination from childhood.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-11-04 05:16pm

Flakin wrote:Well, I know that two of my gay friends down here in Mississippi voted for Kerry...

... but a lesbian friend of mine not only voted for Bush (no pun intended), but despite her having a live in partner she also voted for the ban on gay marriage as an amendment to the state constitution.

She said it 'wasn't right' that two people of the same sex should marry.

I promise on my eyes that this is 100% truth.

F.

Does her partner feel betrayed? I hope she does... WTF

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-11-04 05:17pm

Darth Wong wrote:Why is this a surprise to anyone? Many gays and lesbians are filled with self-loathing because of their religious indoctrination from childhood.

I've never met anyone with that sort of attitude, so I guess this is once again another Made In America™ problem that persists in the confines of the "Bible Belt"

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-11-04 05:17pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Why is this a surprise to anyone? Many gays and lesbians are filled with self-loathing because of their religious indoctrination from childhood.
I've never met anyone with that sort of attitude, so I guess this is once again another Made In America™ problem that persists in the confines of the "Bible Belt"

Mostly.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-11-04 05:26pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:I've never met anyone with that sort of attitude, so I guess this is once again another Made In America™ problem that persists in the confines of the "Bible Belt"

You should look up the stories of the homosexuals who have claimed to be "cured" of their "sickness" by the love of Christ. Of course, the reversion rate is high, but hey, what's a little thing like the truth when compared to the power of the imaginary sky dude?

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2004-11-04 05:29pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:I've never met anyone with that sort of attitude, so I guess this is once again another Made In America™ problem that persists in the confines of the "Bible Belt"
You should look up the stories of the homosexuals who have claimed to be "cured" of their "sickness" by the love of Christ. Of course, the reversion rate is high, but hey, what's a little thing like the truth when compared to the power of the imaginary sky dude?

I've had some of these fuckers tell me with a straight face that gays have demons inside of them that make them do these horrible acts. When I pressed them on it they really believe. now. in the 21st century. at the pinnacle of man's technological achievments. that DEMONS inhabit gay people and make them immoral and corrupt.

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2004-11-04 05:29pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Why is this a surprise to anyone? Many gays and lesbians are filled with self-loathing because of their religious indoctrination from childhood.
I've never met anyone with that sort of attitude, so I guess this is once again another Made In America™ problem that persists in the confines of the "Bible Belt"

I'm afraid not. The president of Kd youth in Sweden is gay and is opposed gay marriage.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-11-04 05:29pm

I suppose it beats chemical castration at least, not by much, mind.

Since Bush came in, I've been repeatedly shown how secular my homeland is now and I can't say I regret that being fact one bit.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2004-11-04 06:09pm

Gustav32Vasa wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Why is this a surprise to anyone? Many gays and lesbians are filled with self-loathing because of their religious indoctrination from childhood.
I've never met anyone with that sort of attitude, so I guess this is once again another Made In America™ problem that persists in the confines of the "Bible Belt"
I'm afraid not. The president of Kd youth in Sweden is gay and is opposed gay marriage.

I imagine that there has to be some in any western nation.
And hey, the gay teen suicide rate isn't entirely to blame for kids unable to cope with the world they find themselves in, pure self loathing plays a role in some of those.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-11-04 06:17pm

Not to be ignorant, but perhaps party affiliation was a primary factor for some.

Marksist · Post by **Marksist** » 2004-11-04 07:24pm

This is interesting as I have five gay friends, and one out of the five voted for Bush (gay Jewish guy). So that percentage seems to be about right in my circle of friends.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-11-04 07:29pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:Another indicator of how much thought went into voting.
Or perhaps some people vote with more than their genitals?

Like what? Social regressivism or cloaked self-bigotry?

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