THE TRAILER HAS BEEN Leaked

El Moose Monstero · Post by **El Moose Monstero** » 2004-11-05 04:05pm

Was that some sort of early Imperial lambda/landing craft tucked away to the left behind the wookies? It looked like it had 2 folded up wings and a main fin, didnt look like a walker.

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2004-11-05 04:12pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Chris OFarrell wrote:Oh and tell me. The bit where Yoda ignites his sabre...does that look like the crumpled form of a Royal Guard next to him?
Yes, it does.

STOP INLINING PICTURES

The background looks SOOO CG. For the love of God, someone bring back those sets that were works of love.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-11-05 04:21pm

Darth_Zod wrote:
FTeik wrote:
Seriously, he looks, like he has been around since the last Sith-War a thousand years ago.
it's entirely possible that he has been. Especially when you figure that nobody knows who palpatine's mentor was, and his huge cloning facility full of backup bodies.

That of course will be intriguing, to find out who trained Palpatine in the ways of the Force and kept him a secret from the Jedi Order's watchdogs. We already got some of Palpatine's backstory in Cloak of Deception, so it's possible we'll get something similar to the Eugenics Wars novels (this of course will depend on the revelations made in ROTS).

Lt. Dan · Post by **Lt. Dan** » 2004-11-05 04:29pm

Can some one give me teh linkage?

President Sharky · Post by **President Sharky** » 2004-11-05 05:12pm

For some of you asking if Supershadow.com is legit, it is absolutely not. SS is one of the biggest frauds around, he steals other sites' summaries and info, as well as pretending to be Lucas's friend. There's even an entry in wikipedia concerning him!

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2004-11-05 06:08pm

PM a link would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

xammer99 · Post by **xammer99** » 2004-11-05 07:10pm

I also would very greatly appreciate a link to it. Either via PM or email at khelek@insightbb.com

MUCH appreciated!

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-11-05 07:31pm

I think I almost fried my keyboard with drool while watching the trailer...

Now I need to figure out how to hibernate until it hits theaters.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2004-11-05 08:15pm

The_Lumberjack wrote:Was that some sort of early Imperial lambda/landing craft tucked away to the left behind the wookies? It looked like it had 2 folded up wings and a main fin, didnt look like a walker.

Both, a lamba like, but the wings fold parallel to the top one, not bent in, and the and some walkers to the left and right, with treaded tanks in the middle. The walkers have three legs, huh.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2004-11-05 09:06pm

With the risk of sounding redundant, that was pretty good.

Mlenk · Post by **Mlenk** » 2004-11-05 09:13pm

Looks badass but then again, so did the teasers for TPM and AOTC. Maybe the full trailer will shed more light.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2004-11-05 09:30pm

Grand Moff Yenchin wrote:
Pcm979 wrote:Heard of Occam's Razor? The simplest idea wins.
The previous posts show that Occam's Razor isn't enough, Palpatine being Sidious raises complexity on how he could hide his powers, as well as the difference between the faces shown in the trailer. The Dark Side hard to detect and Jedi getting weak isn't sufficient for the first question.

Maybe I'm just dumb, but It doesn't look to me like any issues of complexity have been raised. Why isn't him being hideously powerful enough for you?

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2004-11-05 09:51pm

Pcm979 wrote:Maybe I'm just dumb, but It doesn't look to me like any issues of complexity have been raised. Why isn't him being hideously powerful enough for you?

Has Palpatine showed any hiding powers anywhere else to support this claim?

Or, any Sith?

If not, getting a new power for someone is on the same ground on getting a 2nd person in the show. None of them are simpler than the other.

Considering such feats might of been in the EU, in the EU Palpatine has also been known to have clones and transferring his spirit through them. The '2 different people' hypothesis still has substance to support it.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-11-05 10:13pm

Grand Moff Yenchin wrote: Has Palpatine showed any hiding powers anywhere else to support this claim?

Or, any Sith?

If not, getting a new power for someone is on the same ground on getting a 2nd person in the show. None of them are simpler than the other.

Considering such feats might of been in the EU, in the EU Palpatine has also been known to have clones and transferring his spirit through them. The '2 different people' hypothesis still has substance to support it.

I believe him masking his powers comes from the actual movies, in which Palpatine is very close to a lot of the head Jedi, and they [the Jedi] never detect anything from him. We know Palpatine is powerful (see DE I and II), so it seems reasonable that he is able to cloak his powers rather well.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2004-11-05 10:14pm

Aha, during the EU OT period the average Imperial citizen thought that the Emperor was just a nice old man. Obviously not the toothless, wrinkled wonder from ROTS and ROTJ.

About the clones, that doesn't support your claim at all; He was transferring his force-ghost thingy from his dying body to a specially-prepared clone, not absorbing someone else's force powers!

Look, Sidious, the Emperor and Palpatine are played by the same actor! Sidious is *not* Palpatine's father's sister's former roomate's clone, that's just retarded!

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2004-11-05 10:17pm

Techno_Union wrote:I believe him masking his powers comes from the actual movies, in which Palpatine is very close to a lot of the head Jedi, and they [the Jedi] never detect anything from him. We know Palpatine is powerful (see DE I and II), so it seems reasonable that he is able to cloak his powers rather well.

His position is that Palpatine didn't have any force powers until a scene in RotS where he absorbs Sidious' powers. Never mind that if Palpy wasn't blocking the Jedi's powers they would've been able to read his mind and work out what he was going to do!

Jorgasnarova · Post by **Jorgasnarova** » 2004-11-05 10:28pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Wicked Pilot wrote:Is it just me, or was that an Imperial Star Destroyer in that trailer?
They're Venator-class Star Destroyers.

"Venator-class?" Am unfamiliar with this. From where did you hear this name?

According to the Hyperspace section from the official site, we get to see a gunnery bay in operation aboard one of the Separatist cruisers...we see droids loading some sort of cartridges into the cannons, the cannons recoil violently and slide back when fired, and the droids remove spent cartridges...a sort of high-tech in-joke at pirate movies, I guess.

Hmmm....unless the cannons use up tibanna gas in individual "shells" does this imply that the cannons on the Separatist cruiser are not turbolasers but rather projectile weapons?? I would surmise the former.

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2004-11-05 10:55pm

Techno_Union wrote: I believe him masking his powers comes from the actual movies, in which Palpatine is very close to a lot of the head Jedi, and they [the Jedi] never detect anything from him.

The disagreement is in how he could do this. So this couldn't be the example

Pcm979 wrote:Aha, during the EU OT period the average Imperial citizen thought that the Emperor was just a nice old man. Obviously not the toothless, wrinkled wonder from ROTS and ROTJ.

How did they think the Emperor that way? Media? Seeing him actually? Mere memories of the day he claimed the throne? I'd like to see more of this before I conceed.

If the Dark Side has side effects on peoples appearances, he'd still be the nice old man at the beginning and wrinkle off later. The appearances could be falsified with SW tech.

Pcm979 wrote: About the clones, that doesn't support your claim at all; He was transferring his force-ghost thingy from his dying body to a specially-prepared clone, not absorbing someone else's force powers!

I conceed on this 'how he got the powers', but this also raises the possibility that the Nice Old Man, after thinking he killed Sidious, was actually sent his soul/essence/whatever into Palpy's body after the event.

Pcm979 wrote:Never mind that if Palpy wasn't blocking the Jedi's powers they would've been able to read his mind and work out what he was going to do!

Was this mentioned somewhere?

Pcm979 wrote: Look, Sidious, the Emperor and Palpatine are played by the same actor! Sidious is *not* Palpatine's father's sister's former roomate's clone, that's just retarded!

I'd leave off-world explanations to the last ditch. Temura Morrison is Jango Fett and Commander Cody, the "same actor" argument could also make Darth_Zod's clone hypothesis valid.

Edit: I mean the Nice Old Man after killing Sidious, was possessed by Sidious' soul/essence/whatever

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2004-11-05 11:58pm

Mace Windu appears to be committing suicide a la Obi Wan. He's right next to an enemy, slowly moving his weapon away from his guard, and looks pretty focussed. He's either getting turned (powering up for a huge, anger-driven swing) or he's letting himself lose. That sure ain't goingo ut like a punk.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-11-06 12:02am

Jorgasnarova wrote:
"Venator-class?" Am unfamiliar with this. From where did you hear this name?

Somewhere in hyperspace. Venator = Hunter.

According to the Hyperspace section from the official site, we get to see a gunnery bay in operation aboard one of the Separatist cruisers...we see droids loading some sort of cartridges into the cannons, the cannons recoil violently and slide back when fired, and the droids remove spent cartridges...a sort of high-tech in-joke at pirate movies, I guess.

Hmmm....unless the cannons use up tibanna gas in individual "shells" does this imply that the cannons on the Separatist cruiser are not turbolasers but rather projectile weapons?? I would surmise the former.

Most evidence would indicate these *particular* weapons are flak guns, which apparently Obi-Wan flies through.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2004-11-06 12:27am

Help, people. Where's that reference to Palpy being loved?

Also, isn't there a scene in The Crystal Star where Luke makes himself look different using the Force?

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2004-11-06 12:53am

Link? Please? Hope it isn't QuickTime.

WindupAtheist@hotmail.com

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-11-06 12:55am

Who knows; maybe PT vs. OT Palpatine's physical apperance is the result of an ooglith masquer.

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2004-11-06 01:18am

Pcm979 wrote:Also, isn't there a scene in The Crystal Star where Luke makes himself look different using the Force?

Although I'm still not quite convinced of the 'only 1 person', but Palpatine doing something like this would be fucking cool to watch on the screen.

"Nice Old Man": Since there's no reason to hide....

Nice old face gradually turns in to a wrinkled guy with bad teeth, unleashes hell....

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2004-11-06 01:21am

In related news, I conceed that Palpy could use makeup to make himself look nice.