Questions about the Vong, the Force and AIs.

[Murazor]

1-I know that the Vong aren't part of the Force and that this isn't natural but the result of something that happened in their homeworld. What happened exactly?

2-IIRC, Mara was unable to use the Force to probe the Vong and the precog didn't work either. Are all Force abilities useless against the Vong?

3-The yammosk are telepathic beings and they don't use the Force to create that mini-hives among the Vong warriors. What do they use? I have also heard something about yammosk disruptors. What are those things?

4-Can the Jedi read the minds of artificial intelligences?

[Crazedwraith]

2. Force powers are severly weakened. ANakin SOlo once threw a tk blast at one that would have send a normal being flying and it only staggered the vong a couple of paces back.

3> they use gravity waves to communciate. The anti-yammosk device (GAM) basiclly just blankets the area with a whole shit load of white noise in the yammosks gravity frequencys.

[Murazor]

Thanks a lot.

[Lord Pounder]

1. The Vong came from a living homeworld, Yuuzhan'tar, theorised to be the parent of Zonama Sekot. They where attacked by a raced that heavily used machines and machine tech. Their parent planet provided them with the bio-tech to defend themselves. The Vong went too far and conquered every race in their galaxy and forced them to accept their religon, but things went wrong, Yuuzhan'tar was horrified at what it's children had become and it used it's powers to strip the Vong of the Force, then the planet dissapeared. Bad shit happened and the Vong left their galaxy in search of a new one.

[Gustav32Vasa]

1. The Vong came from a living homeworld, Yuuzhan'tar, theorised to be the parent of Zonama Sekot. They where attacked by a raced that heavily used machines and machine tech. Their parent planet provided them with the bio-tech to defend themselves. The Vong went too far and conquered every race in their galaxy and forced them to accept their religon, but things went wrong, Yuuzhan'tar was horrified at what it's children had become and it used it's powers to strip the Vong of the Force, then the planet dissapeared. Bad shit happened and the Vong left their galaxy in search of a new one.

I thought that the Vong destroyed their homeworld in anger for what it did.

[Lord Pounder]

1. The Vong came from a living homeworld, Yuuzhan'tar, theorised to be the parent of Zonama Sekot. They where attacked by a raced that heavily used machines and machine tech. Their parent planet provided them with the bio-tech to defend themselves. The Vong went too far and conquered every race in their galaxy and forced them to accept their religon, but things went wrong, Yuuzhan'tar was horrified at what it's children had become and it used it's powers to strip the Vong of the Force, then the planet dissapeared. Bad shit happened and the Vong left their galaxy in search of a new one.

I thought that the Vong destroyed their homeworld in anger for what it did.

I don't think so, but it has been a while since i read the NJO.

[Robert Walper]

1. The Vong came from a living homeworld, Yuuzhan'tar, theorised to be the parent of Zonama Sekot. They where attacked by a raced that heavily used machines and machine tech.

Yeah, these guys:

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

1. The Vong came from a living homeworld, Yuuzhan'tar, theorised to be the parent of Zonama Sekot. They where attacked by a raced that heavily used machines and machine tech.

Yeah, these guys:

Ah, so it explains why the Vong, in fact, made it in kicking back their invader's ass (thus went so far to be a plague in SW galaxy). I guess we can blame incompetent invader, can't we?

[Praxis]

2. Force powers are severly weakened. ANakin SOlo once threw a tk blast at one that would have send a normal being flying and it only staggered the vong a couple of paces back.

Don't forget that Anakin was using the lambent to let himself affect the Vong.

Normally, the force doesn't affect the Vong at all, but since everything around them can be affected, we see:
1) Luke Skywalker smashing their heads in with flying rocks in Dark Tide
2) Tahiri compressing the air to crush three Vong shapers
3) Wurth Skidder sucking the air away from Chine-kal to suffocate him.

[Praxis]

1. The Vong came from a living homeworld, Yuuzhan'tar, theorised to be the parent of Zonama Sekot. They where attacked by a raced that heavily used machines and machine tech. Their parent planet provided them with the bio-tech to defend themselves. The Vong went too far and conquered every race in their galaxy and forced them to accept their religon, but things went wrong, Yuuzhan'tar was horrified at what it's children had become and it used it's powers to strip the Vong of the Force, then the planet dissapeared. Bad shit happened and the Vong left their galaxy in search of a new one.

I thought that the Vong destroyed their homeworld in anger for what it did.

When they were invaded the planet gave them a ton of bio-tech. They used it to start wiping out everyone in thier galaxy. The planet told them to stop, and (since it was an uber powerful force sensitive planet) when they wouldn't, stripped them of the Force and their symbiosis. In anger/pain, the Vong nuked the homeworld with their weapons and went on to destroy the rest of their galaxy

They also made up a bunch of gods, each one representing one element of their original homeworld (they made up a god of war from scratch though), and made rules about shapers and heresy so the shapers wouldn't do any experimentation and research, and only learn what the planet had taught them. The Vong remained stagnant, never creating anything new. That's why the NR was able to smash them eventually- research and experiments were against their religion, so they never adapted while the good guys learned, and adapted.

[The Original Nex]

1. The Vong came from a living homeworld, Yuuzhan'tar, theorised to be the parent of Zonama Sekot. They where attacked by a raced that heavily used machines and machine tech. Their parent planet provided them with the bio-tech to defend themselves. The Vong went too far and conquered every race in their galaxy and forced them to accept their religon, but things went wrong, Yuuzhan'tar was horrified at what it's children had become and it used it's powers to strip the Vong of the Force, then the planet dissapeared. Bad shit happened and the Vong left their galaxy in search of a new one.

I thought that the Vong destroyed their homeworld in anger for what it did.

Yes, that's what actually happened, but Vong ledgend just says they've been wandering searching for Yuuzhan'tar, but not actually saying why they ever left.

[JME2]

1. The Vong came from a living homeworld, Yuuzhan'tar, theorised to be the parent of Zonama Sekot. They where attacked by a raced that heavily used machines and machine tech.

Yeah, these guys:

Heh. As readers of my story know, I did indeeed make the Borg the race that attacked Yuuzhan'tar. It felt it was poetic in that the greatest foes of the Milky Way played a role in the creation of the greatest foe of That Galaxy Far, Far Away.

[Master of Ossus]

2-IIRC, Mara was unable to use the Force to probe the Vong and the precog didn't work either. Are all Force abilities useless against the Vong?

Jaina was able to use Force-lightning against them, which was stopped by an ysalamiri. Also, a Dark Jedi was able to dice some of them up using the Force on the worldship.

[Illuminatus Primus]

That suggests Force lightning is an actual form of electrical discharge or something - it itself is not a manifestation of the Force, but Force-generated, so the Vong are effected.

[Master of Ossus]

That suggests Force lightning is an actual form of electrical discharge or something - it itself is not a manifestation of the Force, but Force-generated, so the Vong are effected.

That would make sense, except that Joruus was unable to harm Thrawn with Force-lightning because Thrawn carried an ysalamiri with him.

[Fleet Admiral Blair]

The Force has also been used to create a vacuum over a Vong's head in an attempt to suffocate him and another Jedi attempted to crush a pair of Vong by increasing the air pressure. The Vong can't be directly effected, but the environment can be used against them.

The Dark Jedi who chopped up the Shaper used Force-lightning to do it (didn't she?)

[Crazedwraith]

2-IIRC, Mara was unable to use the Force to probe the Vong and the precog didn't work either. Are all Force abilities useless against the Vong?

Jaina was able to use Force-lightning against them, which was stopped by an ysalamiri. Also, a Dark Jedi was able to dice some of them up using the Force on the worldship.

And Jacen was not IIRC. His technique seemed to involve creating a circiut which wouldn't form, with the target being in the force so it kept arc into vergere.

So could Jacen's failure to force lightening be pyhcological, maybe subconcious he didn't want to hurt the vong at all so he 'couldn't' effect them?

[Gustav32Vasa]

The Force has also been used to create a vacuum over a Vong's head in an attempt to suffocate him and another Jedi attempted to crush a pair of Vong by increasing the air pressure. The Vong can't be directly effected, but the environment can be used against them.

The Dark Jedi who chopped up the Shaper used Force-lightning to do it (didn't she?)

I dont remember what it was but it wasnt Force-lightning. I think it was some kind of dark mist?

[Rogue 9]

Why would the Force affect the Vong any less than droids or inanimate objects? They're still physical objects; there's no reason why they couldn't be hurled like any rock even if they can't be mind-read, mind-controlled, or give away their actions to precognition.

[Gustav32Vasa]

Why would the Force affect the Vong any less than droids or inanimate objects? They're still physical objects; there's no reason why they couldn't be hurled like any rock even if they can't be mind-read, mind-controlled, or give away their actions to precognition.

Inanimate objects dont register to the Force because they arent alive, they can be manipulated by it. The Vong where stripped of the Force,, the Force didnt like them anymore.

[Lord Pounder]

Why would the Force affect the Vong any less than droids or inanimate objects? They're still physical objects; there's no reason why they couldn't be hurled like any rock even if they can't be mind-read, mind-controlled, or give away their actions to precognition.

PLOT DEVICE MAN!

[Rogue 9]

Why would the Force affect the Vong any less than droids or inanimate objects? They're still physical objects; there's no reason why they couldn't be hurled like any rock even if they can't be mind-read, mind-controlled, or give away their actions to precognition.

PLOT DEVICE MAN!

Yes, I'm aware. It's quite the crappy plot device, though. No way to justify it in-universe if you think about it.

[Praxis]

That suggests Force lightning is an actual form of electrical discharge or something - it itself is not a manifestation of the Force, but Force-generated, so the Vong are effected.

That would make sense, except that Joruus was unable to harm Thrawn with Force-lightning because Thrawn carried an ysalamiri with him.

Perhaps the Force is used to carry the electricity to the target, and the Ysalamiri prevented it from being carried all the way to Thrawn? But when Jaina used the lightning, it was carried all the way to the Vong's body.

[Praxis]

The Force has also been used to create a vacuum over a Vong's head in an attempt to suffocate him and another Jedi attempted to crush a pair of Vong by increasing the air pressure. The Vong can't be directly effected, but the environment can be used against them.

The Dark Jedi who chopped up the Shaper used Force-lightning to do it (didn't she?)

Ahem...

Normally, the force doesn't affect the Vong at all, but since everything around them can be affected, we see:
1) Luke Skywalker smashing their heads in with flying rocks in Dark Tide
2) Tahiri compressing the air to crush three Vong shapers
3) Wurth Skidder sucking the air away from Chine-kal to suffocate him.

[The Dark]

2. Force powers are severly weakened. ANakin SOlo once threw a tk blast at one that would have send a normal being flying and it only staggered the vong a couple of paces back.

Don't forget that Anakin was using the lambent to let himself affect the Vong.

Normally, the force doesn't affect the Vong at all, but since everything around them can be affected, we see:
1) Luke Skywalker smashing their heads in with flying rocks in Dark Tide
2) Tahiri compressing the air to crush three Vong shapers
3) Wurth Skidder sucking the air away from Chine-kal to suffocate him.

Hmmm...those are all indirect effects, though. They didn't directly use the Force on the Vong, but rather on other things around the Vong (rocks, air). So, while the Vong may be immune to the Force, they are not immune to Force-created effects (duh).