THE TRAILER HAS BEEN Leaked

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-11-06 02:30pm

Spice Runner wrote:Luke Skywalker disguised his appearance especially his face with the force so no one could recognize him in the Black Fleet trilogy, when he was walking around on a nameless New Republic world. I believe Palpatine has done the same to his appearance as he has done with his force powers. Hidden them from even the most adept Jedi.

luke wasn't hiding himself from other force sensitives, was he? or was it just mundanes with no force abilities? *not familiar with the trilogy*

Spice Runner · Post by **Spice Runner** » 2004-11-06 02:51pm

Luke was hiding himself from the public. I don't think there were any other force sensitives around. I don't have the books with me. It's not a perfect comparison between Luke and Palpatine. But I'd think it would be the same idea of cloaking ones image and force power with the force. Though it is odd that the most powerful of Jedi cannot detect Palpatine in the force.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-11-06 03:01pm

Spice Runner wrote:Luke was hiding himself from the public. I don't think there were any other force sensitives around. I don't have the books with me. It's not a perfect comparison between Luke and Palpatine. But I'd think it would be the same idea of cloaking ones image and force power with the force. Though it is odd that the most powerful of Jedi cannot detect Palpatine in the force.

not a good comparison. hiding oneself from regular people without force abilities is one thing. it's altogether different to try hiding from other force sensitives.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-11-06 03:05pm

It would however make sense that Palpatine is more capable of changing his physical form than in the case of Luke's face.

1). Luke's training after all was rushed and in the years following ROTJ was forced largely to explore the ways of the Force as well as what the few survivors of the Purge were able to tell him.

2). The Sith have far more explored the boundaries of the Force than the Old Order; it would also make sense that having had to hide for the last 1,000 years, they would be adept at masking their Force presence and physical apperance.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-11-06 03:09pm

JME2 wrote:It would however make sense that Palpatine is more capable of changing his physical form than in the case of Luke's face.

1). Luke's training after all was rushed and in the years following ROTJ was forced largely to explore the ways of the Force as well as what the few survivors of the Purge were able to tell him.

2). The Sith have far more explored the boundaries of the Force than the Old Order; it would also make sense that having had to hide for the last 1,000 years, they would be adept at masking their Force presence and physical apperance.

wouldn't just changing his physical form still require force use, and still as a result show up to other force sensitives?

Spice Runner · Post by **Spice Runner** » 2004-11-06 03:09pm

I guess you're right. It's not a good comparison. Though I think Palpatine is capable of hiding his force powers from the Jedi, given from what we know so far. Though the clone idea may be a possibility given what we know from Dark Empire that he has been cloning himself for to extend his life.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-11-06 03:25pm

Robert Walper wrote:In regards to Palpatine's degraded appearance in the OT...

SPOILER

It's apparently because Yoda and Palpatine go at it. Palpatine eventually wins, but just barely, and the raw Force powers being flung around is what deforms him during the fight.

Where does this come from?

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2004-11-06 03:31pm

mareanus_calgar@yahoo.com if you would be so kind as to link me.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-11-06 03:36pm

Robert Walper wrote:In regards to Palpatine's degraded appearance in the OT...

SPOILER

It's apparently because Yoda and Palpatine go at it. Palpatine eventually wins, but just barely, and the raw Force powers being flung around is what deforms him during the fight.

I've been told that Palpatine has to think a moment to remember Yoda in the RotJ novelization. If Yoda's directly responsible for changing his appearance so drastically, you'd think that wouldn't be a problem.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-11-06 03:41pm

No, it takes a moment or two for him to yank the identity of Luke's master out of his head.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-11-06 03:42pm

Ah, I see.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-11-06 06:35pm

Spice Runner wrote:I guess you're right. It's not a good comparison. Though I think Palpatine is capable of hiding his force powers from the Jedi, given from what we know so far. Though the clone idea may be a possibility given what we know from Dark Empire that he has been cloning himself for to extend his life.

In Darth Maul - Shadow Hunter it states that Maul and Sidious where able to scout of the Jedi Temple, getting close enough for Sidious to point out several important Jedi Masters. The action in this book takes place on Coruscant so it's a fair assumption to say that Sit have superior hiding skills. Also at the anti-climax of the book our hero runs into Palpatines arms only to be fragged by Maul.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2004-11-06 09:03pm

Smoke signal, someone? I'm certain I wouldn't want to rob myself of the joy of seeing it with completely pristine eyes, but just in case I am unable to resist temptation...aw, fuck. Someone PM me a link to where I can get the trailer. Please, please, please...

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2004-11-07 01:29am

Can someone PM me the link?

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2004-11-07 03:35am

Darth_Zod wrote:
Grand Moff Yenchin wrote:
Not to lag on the debate further, but I'm aware about the quarters part, it could still be explained that they're working together.

Palpatine guiding Anakin may or may not do with Sith powers, Sidious could've told Palpatine how to guide Anakin.

As for Palpatine killing Sidious, he could have Anakin on his side.

Anyway, if it was stated by the crew that both were the same, the above are just for fun
still like my own pet theory the best. sidious is hiding and using special clones that lack force powers to do the manipulation of the senate for him. that would easily explain why the jedi never noticed any force powers coming from palpatine as well as why sidious looked nasty and wrinkled yet palpatine was relatively young in comparison.

I really wished I remembered where the quote was about Palpatine's true identity so this mess could be cleared up. It was somewhere in the forum, at least...

Anyway, the point is that none of these 'two person' theories work according to a spoiler that stated was as a scene in the film that revealed that Palpatine was merely Sidious' public cover:

In the scene right before Windu fights and gets killed (I'm pretty sure against Anakin, with Palpatine looking on), Palpatine drops his disguise for a brief second, revealing his appearance that he has in the classic trilogy.

They've never suggested they were two separate people, no split personalities arguing in the mirror, no Hollywood Parent Trap switcheroo...

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2004-11-07 03:47am

I've never seen this mentioned here.

In the trailer, pretty close to the end there is a space fighter that looks like a body of a X-Wing but with three wings on each side. S0mething like a X-Wing crossed with a Z-95.

Can someone enlighten me and give me more details on it?

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-11-07 05:28am

Comosicus wrote:
In the trailer, pretty close to the end there is a space fighter that looks like a body of a X-Wing but with three wings on each side. S0mething like a X-Wing crossed with a Z-95.

It's an ARC 170, that's all we really know. They're piloted by clones.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2004-11-07 05:29am

Comosicus wrote:I've never seen this mentioned here.

In the trailer, pretty close to the end there is a space fighter that looks like a body of a X-Wing but with three wings on each side. S0mething like a X-Wing crossed with a Z-95.

Can someone enlighten me and give me more details on it?

ARC-170 Starfighter, piloted by clones with helmets that look like a cross between X-wing and TIE pilot helmets.

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2004-11-07 07:40am

Thanks. I've managed to find a picture of it: Linky

That cockpit of its looks to me like the ones on WWII planes (Some torpedo bombers I've seen on a picture sometime ago - or the Japanese Zero's)

Lex · Post by **Lex** » 2004-11-07 07:43am

can some1 pm me? would be appreciated...

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-11-07 09:23am

Comosicus wrote:Thanks. I've managed to find a picture of it:

Erm- you can find that picture on Starwars.com, in the Episode III "Art of Revenge" section.

At this point, a lot of the concept art displayed in AoR seems to have made it into the films, so that Skytrooper may be in the film too.

Archaic` · Post by **Archaic`** » 2004-11-07 12:19pm

If I PM would mysteriously find its way into my inbox, I'd be most appreciative.

generator_g1 · Post by **generator_g1** » 2004-11-07 08:17pm

I would like to have the link in my inbox too....

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2004-11-08 11:48am

There is at least one canon example of force cloacking (and image changing). In Clone Wars Chapter 6, when Count Dooku arrives on the gladiators planet. He is welcomed by Asajj Ventress, who changes her visual appearance while they're watching the fights in the arena.

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2004-11-08 11:49am

Comosicus wrote:There is at least one canon example of force cloacking (and image changing). In Clone Wars Chapter 6, when Count Dooku arrives on the gladiators planet. He is welcomed by Asajj Ventress, who changes her visual appearance while they're watching the fights in the arena.

Uber-Jedi Wars is canon? *cries* It was great and all, and for once we didn't get the minimalizing most EU gets... But the jedi were overkill in most situations.