Clinton in 08?

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2004-11-06 09:05pm

Could he legally run in 2008 for President? I've seen people say he can't because of his two terms, but others say he could because it wouldn't be two consecutive terms.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2004-11-06 09:09pm

He already served two terms, and that's it. If he served one term and Bob Dole won, then he could run again. But that isn't the case.

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2004-11-06 09:10pm

Alright, thanks.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2004-11-06 09:10pm

He can't. I've heard off-hand he looked into the issue toward the end of his second term but the supreme court said that it was clear that someone can only be president for two terms.

Post by **The Wookiee** » 2004-11-06 09:10pm

The 22nd Amendment says that no president can be elected more than two times.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2004-11-06 09:17pm

However, he could be Vice-President and take over if the President resigned/died/was impeached. It's not a situation that would happen, but it is legally possible.

Oh, god. G. W. Bush could run in '08. He wasn't elected in 2000, he was appointed by the SCOTUS

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*This is a joke (I hope). Please do not take it seriously

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[edit]And, erm, are you sure this shouldn't be in N&P? I know it's not current politics, but OT seems a bit odd placement for it.[/edit]

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-11-06 09:23pm

Political question. I shall send it to politics and let the wonks have it.

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2004-11-06 11:34pm

Well, I know it involves politics, but the stuff in N&P is usually more complex then a single easily dismissed question, so I figured off-topic would be better.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-11-06 11:51pm

Jadeite wrote:Well, I know it involves politics, but the stuff in N&P is usually more complex then a single easily dismissed question, so I figured off-topic would be better.

Politics threads belong in "News and Politics." I can't understand what is so hard about this to grasp.

Fire Fly · Post by **Fire Fly** » 2004-11-06 11:57pm

I know a large number of people, moderate conservatives and liberal, who say they would vote for Clinton again if he could run. If he could run, I think he would actually have a chance of winning again.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-11-07 12:13am

RedImperator wrote:Political question. I shall send it to politics and let the wonks have it.

I've been known to be wrong, but my expert analysis holds that the OT people had it right.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2004-11-07 01:34am

The Dark wrote:However, he could be Vice-President and take over if the President resigned/died/was impeached. It's not a situation that would happen, but it is legally possible.

Actually I'm fairly certain it could not, the law says no person may be president for more then 10 years. If he became Vice President when there where 2 years or less left in the term, and then the president died, then that would be fine.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-11-07 01:55am

Sea Skimmer wrote:
The Dark wrote:However, he could be Vice-President and take over if the President resigned/died/was impeached. It's not a situation that would happen, but it is legally possible.
Actually I'm fairly certain it could not, the law says no person may be president for more then 10 years. If he became Vice President when there where 2 years or less left in the term, and then the president died, then that would be fine.

No person who isn't qualified to be president can be vice president, and already being in office for two terms disqualifies Clinton.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2004-11-07 03:07am

Durandal wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:
The Dark wrote:However, he could be Vice-President and take over if the President resigned/died/was impeached. It's not a situation that would happen, but it is legally possible.
Actually I'm fairly certain it could not, the law says no person may be president for more then 10 years. If he became Vice President when there where 2 years or less left in the term, and then the president died, then that would be fine.
No person who isn't qualified to be president can be vice president, and already being in office for two terms disqualifies Clinton.

Where is this change? Article II of the Constitution merely requires the VP to be 35, natural-born citizens, and residents for 14 years. Amendment 22 states that no President may serve more than two terms. It does not say anything about Vice Presidential requirements or limitations.

Thinkmarble · Post by **Thinkmarble** » 2004-11-07 03:41am

Could Bush get away with repealing the 22nd Admendment ?
What do you need to do so ?
Simply majority in House and Senate and two third of the state government ?
Just imagine: Bush repeals the 22nd, Clinton runs in 2008 and wins *g*
That would be funny

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2004-11-07 03:50am

Thinkmarble wrote:Could Bush get away with repealing the 22nd Admendment ?
What do you need to do so ?
Simply majority in House and Senate and two third of the state government ?
Just imagine: Bush repeals the 22nd, Clinton runs in 2008 and wins *g*
That would be funny

No, its a two trhids majority in both the house an senate, and three quarters of states, a far more demanding task. And there is just no way any amendements are going to get passed under the current political climate.

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2004-11-07 12:09pm

The Dark wrote:
No person who isn't qualified to be president can be vice president, and already being in office for two terms disqualifies Clinton.
Where is this change? Article II of the Constitution merely requires the VP to be 35, natural-born citizens, and residents for 14 years. Amendment 22 states that no President may serve more than two terms. It does not say anything about Vice Presidential requirements or limitations.

Check this out

Pertinent quote:

The 22nd Amendment states: "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person [who has served more than half a term] shall be elected to the office of the president more than once."

The language is quite clear. It places no limits whatsoever on how many terms someone may serve as president, only how many times he can be elected.

In other words, the 22nd Amendment does not set conditions on what the 12th Amendment calls eligibility to the office of president. Anyone who is born here and has lived here for 14 years becomes eligible to be president on his or her 35th birthday and is then so eligible forever.

It's dodgy, but theoretically possible.

egyptfrk · Post by **egyptfrk** » 2004-11-08 07:14pm

Jadeite wrote:Could he legally run in 2008 for President? I've seen people say he can't because of his two terms, but others say he could because it wouldn't be two consecutive terms.

No, but keep your eye out for Hillary.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-11-08 07:25pm

Petrosjko wrote:
The Dark wrote:
No person who isn't qualified to be president can be vice president, and already being in office for two terms disqualifies Clinton.
Where is this change? Article II of the Constitution merely requires the VP to be 35, natural-born citizens, and residents for 14 years. Amendment 22 states that no President may serve more than two terms. It does not say anything about Vice Presidential requirements or limitations.
Check this out

Pertinent quote:
The 22nd Amendment states: "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person [who has served more than half a term] shall be elected to the office of the president more than once."

The language is quite clear. It places no limits whatsoever on how many terms someone may serve as president, only how many times he can be elected.

In other words, the 22nd Amendment does not set conditions on what the 12th Amendment calls eligibility to the office of president. Anyone who is born here and has lived here for 14 years becomes eligible to be president on his or her 35th birthday and is then so eligible forever.
It's dodgy, but theoretically possible.

It's only theoretically possible if SCOTUS would chose to ignore the original intent of the amendment and instead ruled based on semantics. Let me know when that happens so I can book my ski tour in Dis.

Symmetry · Post by **Symmetry** » 2004-11-08 07:30pm

I suddenly have this image of the Republicans supporting a repeal of the 22nd ammendment in return for altering the natural born citizen clause to let Arnold run. I can dream can't I?

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2004-11-08 07:48pm

RedImperator wrote:It's only theoretically possible if SCOTUS would chose to ignore the original intent of the amendment and instead ruled based on semantics. Let me know when that happens so I can book my ski tour in Dis.

I agree. But this would involve the man who brought us the question of the definition of 'is'.

Considering how stacked the SCOTUS is going to be by the next election, though... ain't gonna happen.

egyptfrk · Post by **egyptfrk** » 2004-11-08 07:55pm

Symmetry wrote:I suddenly have this image of the Republicans supporting a repeal of the 22nd ammendment in return for altering the natural born citizen clause to let Arnold run. I can dream can't I?

God, I hope not. But I wouldn't put anything past the Republicans these days.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2004-11-08 08:05pm

The 22nd Amendment states: "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person [who has served more than half a term] shall be elected to the office of the president more than once."

So Bush could end up serving a third term?

egyptfrk · Post by **egyptfrk** » 2004-11-08 08:11pm

No, he can't. This is his second term and that's it.

Symmetry · Post by **Symmetry** » 2004-11-08 09:53pm

Drooling Iguana wrote:
The 22nd Amendment states: "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person [who has served more than half a term] shall be elected to the office of the president more than once."
So Bush could end up serving a third term?

Damn, hadn't thought about that... Maybe we could still get Ahnold vs Bill Clinton in 2012?

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