[Bruc Lee] Kuwati Sex-Change Case Fighting For Rights

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[Bruc Lee] Kuwati Sex-Change Case Fighting For Rights

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CBC wrote: KUWAIT CITY (AP) - Her father and brothers beat her. The government suspended her from her job. A group of Muslim fundamentalists screamed abuse at her outside a courtroom.

Her crime: she was born a boy named Ahmed, and is now a tall, 29-year-old blonde who calls herself Amal - Hope.

An overseas sex-change operation has done little to help Amal's struggle for official recognition as a woman in conservative Kuwait. One court ruled for her, another overturned it and now she is going to the Court of Cassation, her last avenue of appeal.

"People see me as a comic case," said Amal. "I wish they could look at me as a human being, someone who was born with a disease."

Many Middle East countries refuse to recognize sex changes. Jordan, Lebanon and Syria do, but it takes complicated and lengthy court proceedings. Only Iran and Egypt allow people to officially change their gender with relative ease.

Amal says she has always felt and acted like a female. When she was little, she said, she loved to wear her mother's dresses and shoes. Her family humoured her in her childhood and even called her by a girl's name: Athari.

On the first day of kindergarten, she said, the teacher called her Ahmed and she didn't respond.

"'My name is Athari,' I told her," she said.

As she grew up, however, her family realized it wasn't just a phase. Classmates noticed, and a neighbour sent his mother to ask for her hand in marriage.

Her father and two brothers, one of them her twin, beat her, locked her in the bathroom, and forced her to spend many nights in the yard without dinner.

"I couldn't be a man by force. It was out of my hands," she said. "It felt like living in a detention centre."

Amal's father refused to speak with the Associated Press. His lawyer, Adel Abdul-Hadi, said it was "logically and religiously unacceptable for Ahmed to enter women's toilets and beauty shops," even after the operation. "I pity the young man now."

For an interview, Amal wore a red skirt and a matching tight-fitting blouse, and was fasting from dawn to dusk in observation of Ramadan, the Muslim holy month. She refused to be identified by her surname or to be photographed, saying her life was in danger.

She said she has attempted suicide three times. At 14, she swallowed all the pills in her family's medicine cabinet. Another time she ended up in intensive care and her family didn't visit her, she said.

At 17, she was kicked out of the house. On her own, now calling herself Amal, she found a secretarial job at the Ministry of Education.

She wore jeans and hid her long hair under a baseball cap, but co-workers would open her office door "just to take a peek at me without saying anything," she said. She couldn't go to the toilet because she didn't know whether to use the men's or women's room.

Amal made extra money by designing women's and children clothes and selling paintings and home decorations. In 2001, aged 26, she had enough saved for an operation in Thailand.

Amal declined to discuss it, but claimed her body was already "80 per cent female" at birth.

"I found out that my case is not unknown to medicine," said Amal. "My real problem is with the lack of understanding by society and my family."

Last year, the Ministry of Education suspended Amal from her job until she works out her legal status.

Kuwaiti women work, and unlike those in neighbouring Saudi Arabia, they drive cars and can travel abroad without a male relative's permission.

The mixing of the sexes is largely frowned upon, however. Coeducation stops at kindergarten, and the idea of a sex-change operation is too much for many. In the newspaper Al-Rai Al-Amm, columnist Ali al-Fadhel wrote that just thinking about sex changes embarrasses him.

But Amal is pressing her fight. In April, a court upheld her right to register as female because the sex-change operation was a health matter that merited an exception to Sharia, or Islamic law.

Gender is not "just . . . genitalia, it is also psychological feelings," the judges ruled.

Last month, an appeals court overturned the ruling, saying God decides gender and humans have no right to change it.

"Ahmed is still a man, and the operation he had does not change the way he was created, even if it changed the way he looks to others," said Mohammed al-Tabtabai, the dean of Kuwait's Sharia College.

The last time she went to court, she wore a veil and black cloak. Outside the courtroom, fundamentalists tried to attack her, one of them screaming, "We will not let you be, you infidel," according to her lawyer, Adel al-Yehya.

"I feel I am sitting in a cardboard box with one hole bringing me light," Amal said. "Either I get out of the box, or they close this hole."

I feel for her, but what did she expect? She lives in and Islamic Fundie shithole. She would have been better off staying in Thailand after the operation. Or appyling for refugee status in Canada.
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Cpl Kendall wrote:CBC.CA
CBC wrote: ... Only Iran and Egypt allow people to officially change their gender with relative ease.
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CBC wrote: ... Only Iran and Egypt allow people to officially change their gender with relative ease.
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:wtf: :shock:
IRAN? So Kuwait which is relatively progressive doesn't allow sex-changes but Iran does?

*Head explodes*
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Iran lets you change your sex with ease... That's one I wasn't expecting. I fail to see the harm in letting him... her decide for herself just what she wants to be.
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What, we need MORE information that the "Holy Land" was built out of crap scraped from Satan's anus?

Well, too bad for her. She could get out of that place again if she could before, probably.

I don't understand the Iran/Egypt thing either tough.
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Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:What, we need MORE information that the "Holy Land" was built out of crap scraped from Satan's anus?

Well, too bad for her. She could get out of that place again if she could before, probably.

I don't understand the Iran/Egypt thing either tough.
Umm, what do you mean by the "holy land" comment? The Holy Land is Israel, not Kuwait.

I am equally confused about the Egypt/Iran thing though. And she should propbably just get the fuck out of Kuwait. It'd be better for her/him to be somewhere more excepting.
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The Shia are a bit funny about some things. For example, prostitution is effectively legal under the practice of time-fixed marriages. So if you want a prostitute in Iran, you just marry her for that one night and then the Ayatollahs don't care. I suspect that the theological grounds for allowing sex changes is that one's spirit is either male or female, and thus a female spirit in a male body is something which can be legitimately surgically corrected. OTOH, I also see such allowances easily being abused in the area of homosexuals. But since homosexuals are executed in Iran, that probably doesn't come out to be that big of a deal.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:... But since homosexuals are executed in Iran...
You're kidding???!
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Nope afraid not. Homosexuals are not welcome in the lands of Islam.
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Give it a few years and it also won't be allowed in the US of A
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:shock: Me Ahmed Bruc Lee sounds like hme has some real issues. Whats hme going to think hme is next? A dog :lol:

Please, Surgically add a waggly tail to my butt, plus some furry ears and I'll bark all day long, then piss on every lamp post he I sees and it will mean he is I am a dog :roll:

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Puts on asbestos suit and waits......
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Bruc Lee wrote::shock: Ahmed sounds like he has some real issues. Whats he going to think he is next? A dog :lol:

Surgically add a waggly tail, some furry ears and bark all day long, then piss on every lamp post he sees and it will mean he is a dog :roll:
Not the most enlightened individual, are you? And, from the sound of things, Amal doesn't just act like a woman, psychologically she is a woman. In your example, she would have to have the mind of a dog, too.
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Iran is an odd duck. It even has its own 'Victoria's Secret' of sorts...
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Not the most enlightened individual, are you?
Because I don't want to enlarge my breasts and hack my penis off?
Not the most enlightened man/women are you?
In your example, she would have to have the mind of a dog, too.
You mean I will be able to bark and wagg his my surgically implanted tail? Or do you mean I will be able to know which lamp post to piss on. Elaborate please.
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Iran is an odd duck
Wow!! Iran is really a surprise in this case. Unbelievable!


I always thought that time-fixed marriage thing was made up, I can't believe they actually do that, how amusing :lol:
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Alrighty, enough troll-feeding from me for one night.
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Alrighty, enough troll-feeding from me for one night
Ye whatever...

woof woof (look, i'm a dog ) :roll: meawwwww meawwwwwww ( no no wait !!! Now i'm a cat) :roll:

I bet your fuking confused :lol: :lol:

Get back to me when you want to actually talk and not just name call.
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'OMFG! DA BIG BAD MAN NAMECALLED! I GONNA TELL A TEACHER!' Fuck off, troll.
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'OMFG! DA BIG BAD MAN NAMECALLED! I GONNA TELL A TEACHER!' Fuck off, troll
Who the fuk are you? I don't care if that woman/man name calls, but why does she/he name call and not bother to give a point? Sounds like an excuse to me.

Now cartwheel the fuk out of here Nitty before.... before...........WooooOOOOOAAAHHH!!!!!
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Could somebody please HoS this shit? Thanks.
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Could somebody please HoS this shit? Thanks
HoS? We are about to debate in this "shit", whats your problem? Add your opinion and lets get this "shit" rolling.
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