Blasters and Lightsabers question

Wong Fei Hong · Post by **Wong Fei Hong** » 2004-11-09 01:47pm

I have a question about blasters and lightsabers, this is for a character in a story debate I'm in.

Can an appropriately trained Jedi armed solely with blasters defeat another appropriately trained Jedi armed with a lightsaber?

And how? Every bit of information helps.

I was thinking maybe the Jedi with blasters could use Force precog to determine where the other would move and send fire that way? Maybe stun setting?

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2004-11-09 01:50pm

*LAUGHS*

I'm sorry, just the mental image of both of them straining to see more steps ahead to block the attack that's designed to be where you aren't blocking, because you...aaah, it makes my head hurt and makes me giggle at the same time!

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-11-09 02:01pm

I could see a Jedi using blasters against non-Jedi to great effect, but I think it would be better to dispatch a force-sensitive enemy with the lightsaber instead.

Sharpshooter · Post by **Sharpshooter** » 2004-11-09 03:04pm

I suppose that, for a while, the two of themm might be able to match one another move for move to create a deadlock of sorts. Once the one with the blaster runs out of ammunition, however, he's screwed.

If he could nail his opponant with a stun blast, he might be able to make a quick killing shot before the saber Jedi shrugged off the blast. This in itself would be a difficult task, though, as he could simply side-step out of the ring's way and go back on the offensive, his precognition telling him it was coming, and getting to a range at which he wouldn't be able to effectively dodge the blast would expose both of the fighters to the wrath of the other.

The saber Jedi'll eventually take his opponant, if only because of the limitations of his weaponry.

Mad · Post by **Mad** » 2004-11-09 03:57pm

The saber-weilding Jedi has the advantage here. The one with the lightsaber will be able to deflect incoming shots back at the Jedi with the blaster. The Jedi with the blaster will have to open fire and dodge his own blasts that are being deflected back at him. The problem is that the one with the blaster can't bounce them back as easily, making it far more dangerous for him.

The blaster-wielding Jedi will probably need two blasters and aiming one high and the other low such that the saber's length can't cover both at the same time, thus forcing the lightsaber wielding Jedi to dodge as well as deflect.

Wong Fei Hong · Post by **Wong Fei Hong** » 2004-11-09 04:35pm

Ok, thanks.

I think I got what I needed to build a character.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2004-11-09 06:38pm

I wonder what would happen if a Jedi fired a single shot at another Jedi, then quickly drew his lightsabre before the shot could be deflected. How long could they bounce that single shot back and forth between them?

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2004-11-09 06:49pm

Jedi Pong. I love it! Seriously though, if the blaster-wielding Jedi's attunement to the force and precognition is deep enough, it's entirely possible that he could predict his opponent's evasions...the real question is if the saber-wielder can predict the action based on the prediction of his own actions.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2004-11-09 07:19pm

That sounds a lot like Phantom Ganon in the Zelda games.

I guess that their precog would cancel each other out and give the advantage to the blaster-wielder; After all, it's a ranged weapon.

gamesguy · Post by **gamesguy** » 2004-11-09 08:48pm

to ask a related question, how would jedis fare against projectile weapon armed foes?

I'm thinking along the lines of having a combat droid similar to a YVH line designed solely for anti-jedi duties with some kind of machinegun(or its equivelent in SW), and some kind of shotgun(Golan arms fletchette cannon?)

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-11-09 08:58pm

I would be curious is a Jedi would be able to stop the projectiles. *ponders* I suppose if it's just a rifle shooting at him, he could always have slight precog and simply put his lightsaber in front of where the projectile is coming, thus destroying the projectile.

gamesguy · Post by **gamesguy** » 2004-11-09 08:59pm

Techno_Union wrote:I would be curious is a Jedi would be able to stop the projectiles. *ponders* I suppose if it's just a rifle shooting at him, he could always have slight precog and simply put his lightsaber in front of where the projectile is coming, thus destroying the projectile.

yes but the said weapon have an extremely high ROF compared to blasters.

for the jedi it'd be like trying to block 100 blasters shooting at him the same time against just a single machine gun with reasonable good rof.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-11-09 09:04pm

gamesguy wrote:yes but the said weapon have an extremely high ROF compared to blasters.

for the jedi it'd be like trying to block 100 blasters shooting at him the same time against just a single machine gun with reasonable good rof.

If such devices became any sort of problem the Jedi would probably just take to wearing plasteel body armor under their robes, which are basically invulnerable to man-portable projectile weapons. That would go a long way towards neutralizing that threat.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-11-09 09:12pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote: If such devices became any sort of problem the Jedi would probably just take to wearing plasteel body armor under their robes, which are basically invulnerable to man-portable projectile weapons. That would go a long way towards neutralizing that threat.

Or he simply use force powers ala Vader to take the weapon away from his opponent.

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2004-11-09 09:19pm

Also, given the solid-matter properties and lower velocities of a chemical-powered slug-thrower, a Jedi's TK could probably maintan a deflection effect.

omegaLancer · Post by **omegaLancer** » 2004-11-11 05:50am

White Haven wrote:Also, given the solid-matter properties and lower velocities of a chemical-powered slug-thrower, a Jedi's TK could probably maintan a deflection effect.

The the Clone war cartoons, obi won did just that, he used his tk power to stop a volley of bullets fired at him from durge...

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-11-11 07:15am

I thought they were darts. Either way, he also deflected a flamethrower (also from Durge) with his hand as well.

taccovert4 · Post by **taccovert4** » 2004-11-11 12:27pm

In Vision of the Future, Luke mentioned a force ability of a low grade energy shield. That would give the Jedi the time to remove a high rof projectile weapon from the fray by TK, especially if he was running intermittently, which would keep the aim of his opponent off.

Blasters vs. Lightsaber,

Given that all things are equal about the Jedi, I'll go with blasters. The Lightsaber armed Jedi is always on the defensive, b/c he can't close the range without increasing the rof of the blasters due to his running into the fire. The blaster-wielder, with jedi aiming abilities, could pour on a barrage too strong for a lone jedi to deflect back at him (Obi-Wan vs. Jango). Also the reload time for blasters is short, even shorter when you're reloading with the Force and never moving from the fire position. Blasters are superior at all ranges, except 25m or less, for in that case the lighsabre can close and hack off the blaster's arm. But the blaster is dodging and firing. Heck someone tell Lucas to make this a scene, it would be awesome to watch!

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2004-11-11 12:32pm

taccovert4 wrote: Blasters are superior at all ranges, except 25m or less, for in that case the lighsabre can close and hack off the blaster's arm. But the blaster is dodging and firing. Heck someone tell Lucas to make this a scene, it would be awesome to watch!

Your forgeting and good Jedi can knoxk bolts back to where they came from. Thus the blaster armed Jedi has to dodge his own shot ocming back at him.

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2004-11-11 01:14pm

The degree to which bullet-time would have to be abused in such a scene would be downright Max Payneish. Not that that's baaaad...

Wong Fei Hong · Post by **Wong Fei Hong** » 2004-11-11 03:04pm

Crazedwraith wrote:
Your forgeting and good Jedi can knoxk bolts back to where they came from. Thus the blaster armed Jedi has to dodge his own shot ocming back at him.

I think what he means is that a Jedi armed with two blasters can pour out more firepower keeping the lightsaber Jedi distracted and eventually win.

If you have Jedi-aimed blaster bolts heading your way, you'd be less likely to deflect them than fighting to survive, blocking them wildly I suspect...

Mark S · Post by **Mark S** » 2004-11-11 03:54pm

Of course if the blaster jedi could block blaster bolts with his hand like Vader, the rebound effect of the lighsabre is negated to some extent.