Outfoxed - Must see Documentary

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2004-11-09 11:39pm

I saw the documentray OutFoxed tonight. It is an hour long documentary that focuses on the tactics, motives and overarching motivations of Fox News. A brilliant Expose on O'Reilly and the way he handles guests and just outright lies about what people say on his show. It uses a plethora of Fox newsclips to show how things work on choosing guests, using Whitehouse talking points and being more 'fair' to Bush and his administration. A chuckle inducing analysis of Sean Hannity vs. Colmes. (Colmes is described as Squirrely looking) Disturbing instances of memos basically saying "Stay positive on Iraq no matter what." Heavy use of ex employees who are still really frightened of the company and what it can do to their reputations. Don't miss the parade of clips of O'Reilly telling people to 'shut up' after a clip of him stating unequivocally that he only told one person in 6 years to shut up.

I strongly recommend watching this movie. It can really open your eyes to what most of us have always suspected about this network and its motives.

Mitth`raw`nuruodo · Post by **Mitth`raw`nuruodo** » 2004-11-09 11:56pm

I saw this documentary a few months ago. It's wonderful. They have interviews from a few former FOX employees, as well as the plethora of clips from FOX itself Stravo mentioned.

Hm. Not too long ago, a clip of O'Reilly telling Jeremy Glick to shut up was linked to here on SDN. That clip was a part of this movie.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-11-10 12:39am

Control Room seems somewhat similar. It's supposed to be good too.

Fire Fly · Post by **Fire Fly** » 2004-11-10 02:27am

Saw this documentary and it only further angered me to see how such a news network can be so blantly distortive and get away with it. They've been getting more and more viewers and I'm afraid that soon people won't really know what the truth is anymore. I've noticed that in the past few years, all cable news networks have been slowly conforming to this one format, similar to Fox News. Why can't people see?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-11-10 03:07am

Dammit, I could've seen this on the day of the election but the society showed F9/11 again.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2004-11-11 09:28am

Saw it last night. Very good. Better than F9/11, IMO. Somewhat fightening to think about how much of the media Rupert Murdoch controls. I did like when Glick was talking about timing O'Reilly with a stopwatch to figure out how long he'd have to make his point

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Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2004-11-11 09:55am

Fire Fly wrote:Saw this documentary and it only further angered me to see how such a news network can be so blantly distortive and get away with it. They've been getting more and more viewers and I'm afraid that soon people won't really know what the truth is anymore. I've noticed that in the past few years, all cable news networks have been slowly conforming to this one format, similar to Fox News. Why can't people see?

You know what the kicker is? They are legally protected under American freedom of speach laws to lie on air.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-11-11 09:58am

ggs wrote:You know what the kicker is? They are legally protected under American freedom of speach laws to lie on air.

So is Al-Reuters

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-11-11 10:06am

MKSheppard wrote:
So is Al-Reuters

What's so bad about Reuters? Surely you can't compare it to FAUX News.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-11-11 10:08am

Shep is just employing a classic American right-wing Golden Mean fallacy: assuming that the truth must be somewhere between two arbitrarily chosen opponents, thus implying that whatever he's currently targeting is just as extreme as FOXNews is.

In reality I'd say the best counterpoint to FOXNews is Al-Jazeera, but right-wingers don't like the (however accurate) comparison between FOXNews and Al-Jazeera.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-11-11 10:11am

How delicious.

I've never seen anything to make me doubt Reuters, AP or other such independent organisations. Murdoch's works are typically slanted, but FOX is more so than Sky News and The Times has no real link to either of them.

Post by **Dalton** » 2004-11-11 12:55pm

Don't forget that FOXNews is looking for high ratings, so they'll air whatever sensationalist crap that'll get viewers and advertising dollars. Reuters isn't on television, but like AP they provide news stories to every media outlet. There's no real reason for them to deliberately slant stories since they still get revenue from the networks they sell to.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-11-11 01:00pm

Darth Wong wrote:Shep is just employing a classic American right-wing Golden Mean fallacy.

Just read Reuter's fawning pro-palestinian coverage and you'll understand
the al-Reuters nickname.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2004-11-11 01:08pm

erm

you do know that I was a member of the Associated Press and it's sister group Reuters?

Ok, your talking about basic survival..

you know why every reporter in central america took just about the same bent.

because they had to pay for their safety, and the smuggling out of country of their story by bribing the communist geurillas because the government censors were so tight.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2004-11-11 01:33pm

MKSheppard wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Shep is just employing a classic American right-wing Golden Mean fallacy.

Just read Reuter's fawning pro-palestinian coverage and you'll understand
the al-Reuters nickname.

Links with all the fawning love Reuters is showering Palestinians with?

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2004-11-11 01:34pm

You forgot the link.

http://www.outfoxed.org

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2004-11-11 06:47pm

MKSheppard wrote:
ggs wrote:You know what the kicker is? They are legally protected under American freedom of speach laws to lie on air.
So is Al-Reuters

I dont give a shit about the individual companies, the act that they can present news as factual when they are lieing and be legally protected is a very good demonstration why companies should not be considered individuals and why a universal free speach law really isnt worth it.