Would you vote for Hilary?

[egyptfrk]

Republicans regard Hilary as the Democratic Ann Coulter. That level of virulent hatred. She's a flaming unabashed quasi-socialist liberal, with none of the charm or charisma of her husband.

While I'm not a huge fan of Hillary myself, I think she's viewed under harsher scrutiny because she's a female with power. When most men act the way she does they are hailed as powerful great leaders. When a woman does this she is labeled a bitch. Definately not fair.

[Stravo]

There are third world dictators that I would vote for before I would vote for this oppurtunistic cunt. No thank you. The fact that she shopped for a state to run in and decided on one of the most democratic states in the Union just to be sure and had the democratic party machine here harangue and harass other democrats running that year to let her run unoppossed was disgusting and vile.

And much like her hubby her politcla luck helped as well when Giulianni took sick and couldn't run. If not he would have put her over his knee and gave her a nice little political spanking. I can think of nothing redeeming about her or her representation of NY. When the Staten Island ferry had its little accident up here killing and maiming people she did not criticize the head of the Transportation Authority because he was a 'friend' nice to see that her political intergrity cannot be swayed.

Plus she wear a Yankee cap....WTF?!?! Since when the FUCK did you become a Yankee fan you cretinous whore?!?! Go back to whatever fucking socialist shithole you crawled out from.

So in short...no, I will not be voting for her.

[Drooling Iguana]

Specifics?

[Drooling Iguana]

Sorry, that last post was in response to SoD's. Didn't notice the second page.

[Knife]

She's oppertunistic like her hubby, but unlike Bill, she's also way left of a majority of his positions. Bill's centrist positions is what made him electable. Hillary is hard core left. A hard core lefty isn't going to get elected anytime soon unless some serious shit changes in American.

I'm one of those who won't vote for a hard core lefty, nor a hard core righty. So NO!

If she runs, she'll suffer the same problems as Elizabeth Dole.

[Stormbringer]

Hell no!

Hillary '08 would be the death knell of the Democratic Party. She's all the bad of Bill Clinton and none of the redeeming... features. It'll be bitter and it'll be nasty and the Democrats will get hammered hard into permanent submission.

[Darth Wong]

It is rather disturbing that one of the most common criticisms levelled against Hilary is power hunger. That trait is manifestly obvious in all successful politicians, but in most cases, they're male, not female, so nobody seems to consider it a major problem.

[Joe]

Of course not. You have to hate Hillary Clinton if you wanna run with the VRWC.

[Knife]

It is rather disturbing that one of the most common criticisms levelled against Hilary is power hunger. That trait is manifestly obvious in all successful politicians, but in most cases, they're male, not female, so nobody seems to consider it a major problem.

I really don't think that being a powermonger is a rare trait that people dislike about politicians. Only ideological blinders shield them from leveling that charge against their own 'choosen'.

[Master of Ossus]

How do her policies compare to her husband's?

[Stormbringer]

It is rather disturbing that one of the most common criticisms levelled against Hilary is power hunger. That trait is manifestly obvious in all successful politicians, but in most cases, they're male, not female, so nobody seems to consider it a major problem.

It's not the usual ambition but rather power hunger and a lack of any sort of restraint on it. She doesn't have much in the way of genuine principle, just a lot of naked ambition. As Stravo pointed out, she deliberately shopped for the state which she could muscle aside every one. And she's also the sort to demand, even help, others to fall on the sword to protect her ambitions. That's naked hunger for power and it's not pretty. That sort of thing has never been popular in politicians, male or female. That Hillary has a justified reputation as domineering, pyscho-bitch doesn't help any either.

As for it being a the most common criticism, it's because there just isn't much else to say about Hillary.

[aerius]

Hell no!

Hillary '08 would be the death knell of the Democratic Party.

I thought that was a good thing....

[Drooling Iguana]

She's oppertunistic like her hubby, but unlike Bill, she's also way left of a majority of his positions. Bill's centrist positions is what made him electable. Hillary is hard core left. A hard core lefty isn't going to get elected anytime soon unless some serious shit changes in American.

I'm one of those who won't vote for a hard core lefty, nor a hard core righty. So NO!

If she runs, she'll suffer the same problems as Elizabeth Dole.

Again, specifics?

[Joe]

How do her policies compare to her husband's?

She's always tended to be more left-wing, however in recent years she's been moving herself to the center.

[Knife]

Here is her views. It gives her a lefty moderate rating but judge for yourself.

While I can find some stuff in there I agree on, and others that are just blatent 'against the opposite party' shit, I see her and her issues as hard left.

[Stormbringer]

Hell no!

Hillary '08 would be the death knell of the Democratic Party.

I thought that was a good thing....

Once again, Hell No. I'd rather have a moderate candidate from either side of the aisle. And I sure as hell don't want to have no one at all standing up to the Religious Right. The Democrats are impotent, stupid, and getting incredibly whiny but they're all we've got. I'd rather have them than not, if only as a check against the worst excesses of the Religious Right.

[Stormbringer]

Here is her views. It gives her a lefty moderate rating but judge for yourself.

While I can find some stuff in there I agree on, and others that are just blatent 'against the opposite party' shit, I see her and her issues as hard left.

She's hard-core left but is trying not to be simply for political capital.

[Knife]

Here is her views. It gives her a lefty moderate rating but judge for yourself.

While I can find some stuff in there I agree on, and others that are just blatent 'against the opposite party' shit, I see her and her issues as hard left.

She's hard-core left but is trying not to be simply for political capital.

Agreed. But if she goes down that track, she'll be eaten alive. Her record isn't that moderate. She'll have to go alot more if she wants to run in 08.

[Darth Wong]

It is rather disturbing that one of the most common criticisms levelled against Hilary is power hunger. That trait is manifestly obvious in all successful politicians, but in most cases, they're male, not female, so nobody seems to consider it a major problem.

It's not the usual ambition but rather power hunger and a lack of any sort of restraint on it. She doesn't have much in the way of genuine principle, just a lot of naked ambition. As Stravo pointed out, she deliberately shopped for the state which she could muscle aside every one. And she's also the sort to demand, even help, others to fall on the sword to protect her ambitions. That's naked hunger for power and it's not pretty.

Oh right, like George W. Bush didn't use up and spit out Colin Powell, shit on John McCain, etc. in his drive to get and keep power. And yet people still cite his likability as one of his best traits. Sorry, that just doesn't fly; if people were genuinely offended by greed for power, very few of today's politicians would be in office.

[Stormbringer]

Oh right, like George W. Bush didn't use up and spit out Colin Powell, shit on John McCain, etc. in his drive to get and keep power.

And as I recall there are any number of people that seriously dislike that. Bush's drive for power has turned off a hell of a lot of people.

And yet people still cite his likability as one of his best traits. Sorry, that just doesn't fly; if people were genuinely offended by greed for power, very few of today's politicians would be in office.

Sorry, but the fact is there's more to Bush than ambition. With Hillary that's not the case. People will tolerate ambition, even praise it, when it's not some one's only quality. In the case of Hillary Clinto the only other quality she has is asshole. That's killed the careers of plenty of politicians.

[tharkûn]

<snip> if people were genuinely offended by greed for power, very few of today's politicians would be in office.

It is a question of degrees and purposes.

You may hate Bush for it, but he wants power for the sake of effecting change. He ran as an American, unilaterist and damned if he didn't act like one. He ran on a morality ticket and damned if he didn't enforce it. People are far more forgiving of ambition if they can view the office holder as working for a cause rather than personal aggrandization.

As a question of degree, Clinton does worse as well. Bush didn't move to Texas because he saw an easy victory in his grasp, he ran and got beaten in his first congressional election and only later managed to win. Hillary blatently went senate seat shopping, and blatently muscled her way into a safe seat.

People excuse greed for power when they back the policy goals of the candidate in question, or the individual pays their dues while climbing up the system. Hillary doesn't have a lot of backing in the former case and paid virtually nothing in the latter; and hence what is merely a point of contention in others is a glaring flaw in her.

The democrats would have to be smoking some crack if they put her anywhere on the ticket.

[Glocksman]

All question of her qualifications and merits as a leader aside, Hillary Clinton would have the same effect on the moderate and right wings that GWB wound up having on the left; mainly she'd be used as a club to paint the Democratic Party as the home of liberal left loonies and 'Hillarycare'.

She may be moving somewhat to the center in the Senate, but she has her pre-Senate disaster (the health care debacle) and remarks counting against her.

The last thing the Democrats need is another liberal Northeastern Senator as their candidate in 2008.

They need to go and find a moderate, successful, somewhat charismatic Governor who isn't a polarizing figure like Hillary. Kind of like her husband was 1992.

[Enforcer Talen]

I dont know a damn thing about her.

[Glocksman]

Forgot to add:

I read an article that claimed Kerry was thinking of running again in 2008 because of all the success he had fundraising this year.

I hope it's not true because I'd like to think that Kerry realizes that a lot of the money thrown his way came from the fact that he was opposing George W. Bush, not because all of the donors thought he'd make a good President.

If he doesn't realize that, maybe we are better off with GWB.

[The Cleric]

Republicans regard Hilary as the Democratic Ann Coulter. That level of virulent hatred. She's a flaming unabashed quasi-socialist liberal, with none of the charm or charisma of her husband.

While I'm not a huge fan of Hillary myself, I think she's viewed under harsher scrutiny because she's a female with power. When most men act the way she does they are hailed as powerful great leaders. When a woman does this she is labeled a bitch. Definately not fair.

No, I dislike all socialist liberals equally. The fact that she's a woman has nothing to do with it. Although nice strawman there.

It is rather disturbing that one of the most common criticisms levelled against Hilary is power hunger. That trait is manifestly obvious in all successful politicians, but in most cases, they're male, not female, so nobody seems to consider it a major problem.

If you'll notice, that reason is mostly given by Democrats as the reason Republicans don't like her. She's a two-faced weasle who'll do or say anything to get elected.