[John Clark/Ai Phling Pu] Unbelievable.

[Darth Wong]

As for you, Darth Wong, who exactly are you calling a coward?

You. Reveal your true name and E-mail, coward.

Obviously, you can't tolerate any lack of control over the content of your opponents' arguments. Hence the wrath with which you've responded to mine.

I have yet to see a meaningful argument from you. And I repeat: if you want a showdown, then let's have it out. Your real name and E-mail, and then you can debate me all you like. If you're man enough.

Your inability to edit the exchange obviously has you frustrated, and leaves you with no other recourse but to shout down or shut down anyone who makes even the slightest dent in your Authority(tm).

I could edit the exchange if I wanted to, you idiot. This is my web board, and I have admin powers! I choose not to edit it because you are making a complete ass out of yourself without my help. Once again, your real name and E-mail, please, and then we can have the debate you pretend to want. If you've got the balls.

You shout that I've made no intelligent points? Then why dost thou protest so much?

Because you're an asshole who tried to crank-call me at my home, bothering my family. That's more than enough reason to berate you for being the worthless little shit-eating son of a whore that you obviously are. Once again, your real name and E-mail, if you've a shred of manhood in you.

And if you know "precisely who I am", why come begging for information which you say you already have?

Because a Hotmail address is worth precisely dick, asshole. But you already know that, since you have always tried so hard to conceal your identity.

Here's your first clue, Mike. "I" is "We". And we will see you admit the errors we've pointed out. Whether you correct them now or not is no longer relevant. Concede the point, any of them, and we go away. If not, well...

I will be perfectly willing to debate with you once you grow a pair of balls and reveal your identity, asshole. But I don't think you've got the stones for it.

[John Clark]

Anarchist Bunny sez: I don't know if tHEwONG said it but I've heard it spoken of that they could use cheap probe droids to slowly map out an area until they can capture a ship and try to find some maps off of it. You seemingly miss the point. Your ignoring me. I never said what you posted was wrong. The tone of them and you comments of pulling wong off his high horse made it VERY clear these were more than just pointing out errors. They were out right flames, trying to attack Wongs credibility by finding small errors. It's an Ad Hominem Attack. You're not the first to try attack tHEwONG like this and unfortunately you won't be the last.


No, Anarchist Bunny, the "Imperials can use hyperdrive easily in unfamiliar territory" ploy is -- once again -- not a "small error". It's an example of Wong putting the cart before the horse. And once again, he does it consistently throughout the entire "campaign". The example is a symptom, his disease is wishful thinking.

His reaction to my pointing this out is naturally outrage, which is understandable. Now I can't say if that's because he didn't see it, or he just doesn't want anyone else to see it, but there it is. I've shown you examples of a pattern. You can deny that it's there if you feel like it.
I've provided the signs, you can read them or not at your own discretion.

Now, in order for the Imperials to use hyperdrive in a totally unfamiliar environment, they need information. How do they get it? Scouts -- or Probe Droids -- either of which are detectable, recordable, vulnerable to sensors or interrogation or otherwise obvious in nature.

When running intelligence gathering operations, there is always, always the risk of early discovery and intervention. Scouts don't typically perform well in large groups. But without large groups, they're vulnerable to detection and capture.

I agree with Wong, in that, once an offensive can be begun, the Federation has basically had it. But the initial stages of that offensive -- Information gathering, Planning, and early deployment -- are the Empire's weak spot, and if the Federation can detect them in time and respond with appropriate force, the invasion will not go as easily as Wong suggests.

[John Clark]

Wong: you're the genius here. You're the Intellectual Giant. Debate us now. We're nere, now. Debate us here, set up your very own thread for it, we'll choose just one of us to debate you. Here and now. But you don't need our names to debate, and we'll not be baited. Unlike you, we do have some restraint. (Well, all but one of us, anyway, and he's long since been ousted.)

[TheDarkling]

Darth Wong: Crank calls??? Jees some people take this thing WAY to far.

I doubt hes going to be stupid enough to reveal himself - if he has a static IP and hes given you crank calls then just ban him.

[John Clark]

Darkling, we have literally dozens of IPs at our disposal. And since there are half a dozen of us, well... it wouldn't matter if this Ident gets banned or not.

Wong can either debate us in an open thread, concede the points we've already made, or just resign himself to living with us until he does.

[Anarchist Bunny]

The Federation leading an offensive would just speed up the imperial campaign. Once they have a star chart to run through the nav computer nothing can stop them and the Alpha Quadrent is much smaller than the SW Territory. The dangers of hyperdrive could be much smaller in a smaller area. Also they could have forms of telescopes to accurately check for a safe path between stars. Microjumps can be done, in the first New Jedi Order a X-Wing is able to use it's little box hyperdrive to make microjumps. It wouldn't be as easy as doing it with map charts, but its not like a jump from the outer rim to the core worlds blind.

[AdmiralKanos]

Wong: you're the genius here. You're the Intellectual Giant. Debate us now. We're nere, now.

You're here, hiding behind a Hotmail address. Your real name and E-mail, if you've got the balls.

Debate us here, set up your very own thread for it, we'll choose just one of us to debate you. Here and now. But you don't need our names to debate, and we'll not be baited.

I will decide what I need, and I decide that if you want this debate, you should fork over your real identity, if you've got the balls.

Unlike you, we do have some restraint. (Well, all but one of us, anyway, and he's long since been ousted.)

Make up whatever schizophrenic bullshit you want, but I still demand an identity. Stop being a pussy, grow a pair of balls, and fight like a man.

[Howedar]

BAN THE TROLL!

[Singular Quartet]

As for you, Darth Wong, who exactly are you calling a coward? Obviously, you can't tolerate any lack of control over the content of your opponents' arguments. Hence the wrath with which you've responded to mine. Your inability to edit the exchange obviously has you frustrated, and leaves you with no other recourse but to shout down or shut down anyone who makes even the slightest dent in your Authority(tm). Fortunately, your drooling lapdogs are on the job as well.

You are being called a coward because the Wong is pissed, you use hotmail(an unexcusable offense in itself) and you're an idiot, thats why. Dude, he's an Admin. He can ban you, delete threads, and edit your comments, so you can just shut the fuck up about that. He's pissed because you're an idiot. And you're not making a dent in his authority.

You shout that I've made no intelligent points? Then why dost thou protest so much?

Because you won't listen to other people's comments, and you won't shut up, fucknut.

And if you know "precisely who I am", why come begging for information which you say you already have?

Because he wants to make sure he isn't insulting a more intelligent pile of slime.

Here's your first clue, Mike. "I" is "We". And we will see you admit the errors we've pointed out. Whether you correct them now or not is no longer relevant. Concede the point, any of them, and we go away. If not, well...

What? You and Loser09? The errors you poiint out a revalid, but they aren't Earth shattering. In fact, they're nitpicsk, which are frowned upon. You should have just e-mailed them to him.

Now, for my obligitory anti-troll pic:

[AdmiralKanos]

Darth Wong: Crank calls??? Jees some people take this thing WAY to far.

And he thinks it's unreasonable for me to demand an identity, as if he of all people has the right to demand privacy after his actions.

I doubt hes going to be stupid enough to reveal himself - if he has a static IP and hes given you crank calls then just ban him.

He posts from various locations on the ASU campus, as well as library kiosks in the area. I would have to ban the entire ASU campus, and then all local library kiosks and regional service providers. I prefer not to take such drastic action. For the time being, I'd rather point out what a cowardly little pussy he is for his past actions and for hiding behind his Hotmail address now.

[John Clark]

them and the Alpha Quadrent is much smaller than the SW Territory. The dangers of hyperdrive could be much smaller in a smaller area.

Excuse me? Would you mind detailing the logic that brought you to that conclusion? Smaller territory, (potentially) more densely clustered spatial objects, more gravity wells to naturally interdict hyperdrive, more objects with which collision is a potentiality, and you still don't answer how they get around the risk of captured scouts, probe droids that have a tendency to go kamikaze when detected (probably whether they successfully complete their surveys or not), and they still need this data in order just to know where to go, not just how to get there.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Why don't we just use "The Final Solution" that ASVS did with TOWNSNBM?

[AdmiralKanos]

Darkling, we have literally dozens of IPs at our disposal. And since there are half a dozen of us, well... it wouldn't matter if this Ident gets banned or not.

In other words, it's either an asshole with multiple-personality syndrome or a bizarre little Trek/creationism cult. Note that "Ai Phling Pu" also posts from the same pool of IP addresses, and is probably the same person or persons. He is fond of putting my name in his thread titles.

Wait a minute, it just occurred to me that if it really is six people, that means it took the collective intellect of six different people to come up with his feeble nitpicks. That's even more pathetic than before!

Wong can either debate us in an open thread, concede the points we've already made, or just resign himself to living with us until he does.

Or I can ban his entire region of the country. But as I said before, I prefer to point out what a pussy he is. If it's more than one person, that's even worse; a whole group of people who are so terrified of me that even with strength in numbers, not one of them has the cojones to reveal an identity.

[John Clark]

Why don't we just use "The Final Solution" that ASVS did with TOWNSNBM?


Hey, now I've even got you talking about using "The Final Solution"...

Jawohl, mein Fuhrer! Use zee Vinyl Zzoluzhion! Sig hurl! Sig hurl!

[TheDarkling]

People this guy doesnt deserve to be spoken too let alone engaged in intelligent debate.

In short he ain worth it and we should take the standard anti troll solution - Dont Feed The Troll (I know its differcult not to correct sheer stupidity but we only give his ideas credence by noticing that he/them/it exists.)

[John Clark]

You have to admit, some of this shit's pretty funny.

[SirNitram]

By Godwin's Law, this thread is over and John Clark just lost.

Someone shut it...

[John Clark]

I am the Evil Warsie Asshole , so don't debate with me if you want me to be prissy and nice while you vomit forth stupidity.


Well, now I'm going to flame. In fact, I'm going to barbecue this asshole.

Shouldn't that read: I am the Evil Warsie Asshole , so don't debate with me if you want me to actually read your post and attempt to comphrehend what you said. I'd rather vomit forth stupidity.


Truth in advertising, man. It's all the rage now, get with it.

[Anarchist Bunny]

them and the Alpha Quadrent is much smaller than the SW Territory. The dangers of hyperdrive could be much smaller in a smaller area.

Excuse me? Would you mind detailing the logic that brought you to that conclusion? Smaller territory, (potentially) more densely clustered spatial objects, more gravity wells to naturally interdict hyperdrive, more objects with which collision is a potentiality, and you still don't answer how they get around the risk of captured scouts, probe droids that have a tendency to go kamikaze when detected (probably whether they successfully complete their surveys or not), and they still need this data in order just to know where to go, not just how to get there.

How do you get more dense from smaller territory? If a probe droid did get caught then that would be good seeing as they could hyperdrive in there and gets some star maps. Do you think that they can't see anything beyond their hulls. Does anyone know the empire's capability in astronomy? I'll use a little trekkie logic here, but voyager was able to plot courses months in advance in uncharted territory, and in almost every instance the Empire's technology is more advance than the Federations. Whats saying they can't scan ahead of them light years to see clear paths and microjump.

[Lord Poe]

Smaller territory, (potentially) more densely clustered spatial objects,

Proof?

more gravity wells to naturally interdict hyperdrive,

Proof?

more objects with which collision is a potentiality,

Proof?

and you still don't answer how they get around the risk of captured scouts, probe droids that have a tendency to go kamikaze when detected (probably whether they successfully complete their surveys or not), and they still need this data in order just to know where to go, not just how to get there.

All an Imperial ship need do is take over an information database like Memory Alpha, capture a trader like Harry Mudd of the Tribble guy, and they'll have a map of the entire quadrant. And please don't float the standardized Trekkie crap about these charts not being detailed enough for hyperdrive. In numerous episodes, The Enterprise catalogued gaseous anomalies and other space minutae.

[John Clark]

On second though, Sir Nitram, just go ahead and parrot every other ignorant, blatantly biased, masturbatory (Thanks, Mike!) Space Nazi fantasy you can.

After all, I wouldn't want you to injure yourself by attempting to think.

[LMSx]

It's easy and simple how to find a star chart of the Alpha Quadrant .(assuming that the wormhole spit out a ship there, and we're vs. the Feds)

Your idiotic assumption is that the smaller the area, the more compact the objects in the greater amount of space would be. The personality that failed geometry apparently typed that. The smaller the area, the FEWER things there are to bump into. Your thinking of the Imperials mapping the entire Federation galaxy-which isn't necessary. They just need information on the Alpha Quadrant. Now, which has more objects in it, a area compromising 1/4 of the galaxy or an area encompassing ALL of the galaxy?

It's pretty apparent that you (people?) are cruising through the site, desperately searching for some nugget of error. The very fact that you haven't found it is ridiculously apparent, if you had a major error, you would have stated it in the first post in this thread; instead of claiming that "the white man" is keeping you down.

Yes, Mike is Asian. No, he's not keeping you down.

[AdmiralKanos]

I recommend that we reply to every one of his posts with "Reveal your true identity, ASU coward". Nothing else; just that line.

[SirNitram]

I am the Evil Warsie Asshole , so don't debate with me if you want me to be prissy and nice while you vomit forth stupidity.


Well, now I'm going to flame. In fact, I'm going to barbecue this asshole.

Shouldn't that read: I am the Evil Warsie Asshole , so don't debate with me if you want me to actually read your post and attempt to comphrehend what you said. I'd rather vomit forth stupidity.


Truth in advertising, man. It's all the rage now, get with it.

But that would be outright lie in advertising if I posted it, Clark.

Now, you want a real flame?

Well, you cocksucking little asscrab, kiss my goddamn ass, because you are undoutably the most pathetic creature ever to crawl out from your mother's ass and fling dung onto a computer keyboard and actually make coherent words. Your worthless attempts to discredit Michael Wong's calculations via nitpicking are possibly the only thing more pathetic than you. I know this will sting your sad little excuse for an ego, so why don't you go cry on your Trek TM and desperately jerk off to a copy of 'Portal' or your favorite Creationist technobabble nonsense. In short, John Clark, fuck off and begone.

[Anarchist Bunny]

On second though, Sir Nitram, just go ahead and parrot every other ignorant, blatantly biased, masturbatory (Thanks, Mike!) Space Nazi fantasy you can.

After all, I wouldn't want you to injure yourself by attempting to think.

Reveal your true identity, ASU coward