Airwolf vs An Apache Attack Chopper

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Airwolf or Apache?

Apache
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Airwolf
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Sea Skimmer wrote:I'm not finding anything about a Soviet Air to Air heilcopter there.
It was a little down on the page.

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Didn't Airwolf have some kind of advanced armor? Wouldn't that help against the Apache's 30mm cannon?
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Antediluvian wrote:Didn't Airwolf have some kind of advanced armor? Wouldn't that help against the Apache's 30mm cannon?
There's nothing on earth that would offer sufficient protection for the weight. You'd need five or so inches of armor grade steel to protect everything, and even then the cockpit glass, rotors and several other spots would still be highly venerable.
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Antediluvian wrote:Didn't Airwolf have some kind of advanced armor? Wouldn't that help against the Apache's 30mm cannon?
Maybe it's the Mollecular Bonded Shell... no wait that's a different show.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:
Antediluvian wrote:Didn't Airwolf have some kind of advanced armor? Wouldn't that help against the Apache's 30mm cannon?
There's nothing on earth that would offer sufficient protection for the weight. You'd need five or so inches of armor grade steel to protect everything, and even then the cockpit glass, rotors and several other spots would still be highly venerable.
The reason I asked is because it always seemed to easily repel any machine-gun or cannon fire directed at it (I think, it's been a while since I've seen the show.)
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Antediluvian wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:
Antediluvian wrote:Didn't Airwolf have some kind of advanced armor? Wouldn't that help against the Apache's 30mm cannon?
There's nothing on earth that would offer sufficient protection for the weight. You'd need five or so inches of armor grade steel to protect everything, and even then the cockpit glass, rotors and several other spots would still be highly venerable.
The reason I asked is because it always seemed to easily repel any machine-gun or cannon fire directed at it (I think, it's been a while since I've seen the show.)
Most of the bad guys had nothing bigger then an M2, most weapons where actually 7.62mm. A 30mm round is massively more powerful then either, with higher velocity, five six times the mass and they combined AP and explosive effects. Even if it was armored against 23mm fire, which is the max you could reasonably do, and even then API rounds is an iffy bet, 30mm would still be very lethal.
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i remember one episode where Airwolf was hit by a rocket. They had to do an emergency landing, but Airwolf was repairable and survived the hit intact.
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Moonshadow wrote:i remember one episode where Airwolf was hit by a rocket. They had to do an emergency landing, but Airwolf was repairable and survived the hit intact.
That rocket hit them in the tail rotor, which forced them to land.
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Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Moonshadow wrote:i remember one episode where Airwolf was hit by a rocket. They had to do an emergency landing, but Airwolf was repairable and survived the hit intact.
That rocket hit them in the tail rotor, which forced them to land.
What the hell? What is it with rockets and helicopters' tails? :?
The smallest, hardest-to-hit part of a 'copter and it always gets blown off why!? Like in the Black Hawk Down movie, both the Blackhawks were hit in the freakin tail and crash-landed. This is really starting to piss me off. That and the fact that every other Somali had an RPG.
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JediNeophyte wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Moonshadow wrote:i remember one episode where Airwolf was hit by a rocket. They had to do an emergency landing, but Airwolf was repairable and survived the hit intact.
That rocket hit them in the tail rotor, which forced them to land.
What the hell? What is it with rockets and helicopters' tails? :?
The smallest, hardest-to-hit part of a 'copter and it always gets blown off why!? Like in the Black Hawk Down movie, both the Blackhawks were hit in the freakin tail and crash-landed. This is really starting to piss me off. That and the fact that every other Somali had an RPG.
In combat tail rotors attract ground fire like phone lines do artillery. Hell the Russians accepted the complexity of a twin main rotor for the Ka-50 specifically because of this venerability. Previous Ka helos used this because of storage size limitations.

The problem has several factors. If you aim for the front of the helicopter but don’t lead the target the round is going to arrive around the tail rotor. Since most rebel armies are not skilled at deflection shooting that’s what happens. Also the rotor and the boom leading to it can't be armored significantly but have very important moving parts inside only inches form the aircraft skin. One hit here is almost always fatal; once you lose the tail rotor your best hope is a controlled crash landing. Similar hits at least with gunfire on the engines or cargo area would not be fatal.

Basically the area is high venerable, very important and near impossible to protect.
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thing is that the Tail rotor on Airwolf remained intact :shock:
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