dr. what wrote:
I really would like to know what a tank was doing strolling around in downtown L.A.
I wouldn't stroll around downtown LA in anything less than a tank.
I guess we're lucky that they didn't get carjacked.
lol
yeah, I could just picture bush's briefing on that one. erm it appears that the south side crips have captured several strykers. we're blaming the release of Grand Theft Auto San Andreas .
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Darth Wong wrote:Why don't tanks ever show up at protests in Canada? That would be cool, especially if they showed up at some of those annoying public-sector worker strikes that seem to herald the coming of autumn every year in Toronto.
I wish they would. My union could use a few hundred dead members. The fuckers blacklisted me because I refused to go picket.
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Ma Deuce wrote:
It's my guess they were simply passing through and were stopped by the protesters: Note how they drove off afterwards...
Can't see the video, but the whole "Stryker" thing was confusing. To my knowledge, no LE agencies have any Stryker variants. Strykers can be found only in SBCTs and units transforming into Stryker units (3d BDE, 2d ID, 1st BDE, 25th ID, etc.). All active SBCT units are currently in Iraq.
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Ma Deuce wrote:
It's my guess they were simply passing through and were stopped by the protesters: Note how they drove off afterwards...
Can't see the video, but the whole "Stryker" thing was confusing. To my knowledge, no LE agencies have any Stryker variants. Strykers can be found only in SBCTs and units transforming into Stryker units (3d BDE, 2d ID, 1st BDE, 25th ID, etc.). All active SBCT units are currently in Iraq.
They're LAV's with 25mm autocannons. No police agency in the US has that. Even LA.
They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong
But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
Knife wrote:
Pendleton is basically half way between LA and San Diego. Regular traffic from Pendleton to other bases up north, like Ord or Edwards goes through the LA area every day.
Again, I think the protestors are taking a coincidence and having dellusions of grandure.
Well, downloaded the Free Apple movie program so I could see the footage. From what I could tell, some Marines were trying to get their LAVs from one point to another. Protesters went nuts trying to "block the tanks," cops showed up on bicycles to push back the protesters, and the LAVs continued on their way.
By the way, does anyone really think those protesters are helping some sort of cause?
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Darth Wong wrote:
Most definitely. The male protesters are displaying their ideals in front of the female protesters in the desperate hope of getting laid tonight.
Darth Wong wrote:
Most definitely. The male protesters are displaying their ideals in front of the female protesters in the desperate hope of getting laid tonight.
*Shudder*
They procreate...
They sure do. In the bay area they procreate in public.
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Darth Wong wrote:
Most definitely. The male protesters are displaying their ideals in front of the female protesters in the desperate hope of getting laid tonight.
*Shudder*
They procreate...
That's the only reason I ever pretended to be a liberal, and I admit that it worked rather well.
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The funny thing is, during the LA riots in the early 1990's they actually considered sending National Guard M1 tanks and M2 Bradleys (disarmed) to provide a show of force. The idea was vetoed in part over a fear one of them might be stolen.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:The funny thing is, during the LA riots in the early 1990's they actually considered sending National Guard M1 tanks and M2 Bradleys (disarmed) to provide a show of force. The idea was vetoed in part over a fear one of them might be stolen.
jegs2 wrote:Well, downloaded the Free Apple movie program so I could see the footage. From what I could tell, some Marines were trying to get their LAVs from one point to another. Protesters went nuts trying to "block the tanks," cops showed up on bicycles to push back the protesters, and the LAVs continued on their way.
You know it's a pretty sad protest when the biggest response you get to doing something disruptive is some cops on bikes.
Knife wrote:That said, the bus smacking their sign was funny.
hehe That was the best part of the movie.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:The funny thing is, during the LA riots in the early 1990's they actually considered sending National Guard M1 tanks and M2 Bradleys (disarmed) to provide a show of force. The idea was vetoed in part over a fear one of them might be stolen.
I can't imagine that an M1 is that easy to... umm... tankjack? I suppose that's right. I mean, if you really think someone's going to pull you out, close the driver's hatch and you're set.
Sea Skimmer wrote:The funny thing is, during the LA riots in the early 1990's they actually considered sending National Guard M1 tanks and M2 Bradleys (disarmed) to provide a show of force. The idea was vetoed in part over a fear one of them might be stolen.
I can't imagine that an M1 is that easy to... umm... tankjack? I suppose that's right. I mean, if you really think someone's going to pull you out, close the driver's hatch and you're set.
Cops did it in San Diego. Granted, they had to wait until the tank got stuck on the center divider and its tread broke, but they just shot, repeatedly, into the cabin killing the dude.
They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong
But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
Sea Skimmer wrote:The funny thing is, during the LA riots in the early 1990's they actually considered sending National Guard M1 tanks and M2 Bradleys (disarmed) to provide a show of force. The idea was vetoed in part over a fear one of them might be stolen.
I can't imagine that an M1 is that easy to... umm... tankjack? I suppose that's right. I mean, if you really think someone's going to pull you out, close the driver's hatch and you're set.
Tank hatches don't lock from the outside, and US Army vehicles don't have keys, so it would be very easy to steal one if it wasn't manned, and the crew wouldn't be in them 24/7, espically since they would have mainly only been used for making demonstrations with all weapons disarmed.
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Looks like a Piranha to me . (I know, the LAV-III is based off the MOWAG Piranha, so shoot me).
BTW, is that some sort of writing on the back of the second LAV (at around 3:25 into the film)? It kinda looks like "AV4", but it could just be a symbol I don't know.
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Found a rather "interesting" article on the matter.
They deployed two fucking TANKS to counter an anti-war protest in LA
by John in DC - 11/10/2004 10:49:42 PM
FURTHER UPDATE: This is for real. I just called the protesters out in LA and confirmed it by phone. And I also just read a NEW excuse the military is now offering. The tanks "got stuck at a traffic light," and that's why they just happened to stop in front of an anti-war protest in the middle of a major US city. Uh huh.
UPDATE: I've just read in the comments to the IndyMedia site that someone spoke to some military folks who claim the tanks were "lost" and simply stopping in front of the anti-war protesters to "ask directions." Yeah, right. They were intentionally using deadly force to intimidate peaceful protesters in violation of their First Amendment rights. This is a big story.
Thanks to MyDD for finding this. This is beyond outrageous. A fucking tank (two in fact). Sent to disrupt an anti-war protests in LA, that by all accounts were acting quite peaceably. You can watch the video, a handful of people chanting, big deal. But then what happens next? Two big fat tank - TANKS people - confront the protesters. They're sending God damn tanks into the streets of Los Angeles. Anyone has a problem with that? What is this, fucking Tiananmen Square?
I am absolutely speechless. We look like China. We look like the Soviet Union. They just sent two tanks to counter a peaceful protest in the second largest city of America. Good God. And where is the media coverage? They just sent TANKS to counter peaceful protesters. That kind of an outrageous challenge to the protesters could have easily sparked violence.
People, please, contact your local media, call any reporters you know, tell them about this. This is a huge story. This is absolutely scary shit. Sending tanks to confront peaceful protesters in an American city in 2004. Who the fuck are we anymore?
fgalkin wrote:
They were intentionally using deadly force to intimidate peaceful protesters in violation of their First Amendment rights. This is a big story.
Whoever wrote this part is a fucking idiot. Deadly force? Yeah they were acting very aggressive towards those protesters. And then he compares it to China? Right.....this guy has blown this way out of proportion.
fgalkin wrote:
They were intentionally using deadly force to intimidate peaceful protesters in violation of their First Amendment rights. This is a big story.
Whoever wrote this part is a fucking idiot. Deadly force? Yeah they were acting very aggressive towards those protesters. And then he compares it to China? Right.....this guy has blown this way out of proportion.
The more I hear about these morons, the more I wished that they did turn that Bushmaster on em and used deadly force.
They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong
But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
Knife wrote:
The more I hear about these morons, the more I wished that they did turn that Bushmaster on em and used deadly force.
Yeah, that's why I say deadly force my ass. If it was a deadly force situation they wouldn't have been standing their shouting their stupid slogans they'd be running for their lives.
Also, I'm not familar with procedure for those but would they actually be carrying live ammo? I suppose it would depend on what they are doing but if not then this "deadly force" situation is ironic because those in the vehicle were probably in more danger from the crowd. LOL
Even LA.
I'm not sure whether I shpuld laugh or cry.
