Tanks show up at Los Angeles anti-war protest

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-11-12 01:18am

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Knife wrote:
The more I hear about these morons, the more I wished that they did turn that Bushmaster on em and used deadly force.
Yeah, that's why I say deadly force my ass. If it was a deadly force situation they wouldn't have been standing their shouting their stupid slogans they'd be running for their lives.

Also, I'm not familar with procedure for those but would they actually be carrying live ammo? I suppose it would depend on what they are doing but if not then this "deadly force" situation is ironic because those in the vehicle were probably in more danger from the crowd. LOL

I would guess NO. If they were in transit to another base of exercises, they'd probably use the ammo point at that base. They wouldn't drive around armed unless they planned on using their load, and I just don't see it in LA, especially these nutballs. They're not worth the price of a couple hundred 25mm.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2004-11-12 01:22am

Knife wrote:
I would guess NO. If they were in transit to another base of exercises, they'd probably use the ammo point at that base. They wouldn't drive around armed unless they planned on using their load, and I just don't see it in LA, especially these nutballs. They're not worth the price of a couple hundred 25mm.

Actually, against a dense mass of protesters ammunition expenditure should be minimal, just fire APDS instead of HE and watch as each round slices though ten people

Post by **fgalkin** » 2004-11-12 01:25am

Knife wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Knife wrote:
The more I hear about these morons, the more I wished that they did turn that Bushmaster on em and used deadly force.
Yeah, that's why I say deadly force my ass. If it was a deadly force situation they wouldn't have been standing their shouting their stupid slogans they'd be running for their lives.

Also, I'm not familar with procedure for those but would they actually be carrying live ammo? I suppose it would depend on what they are doing but if not then this "deadly force" situation is ironic because those in the vehicle were probably in more danger from the crowd. LOL
I would guess NO. If they were in transit to another base of exercises, they'd probably use the ammo point at that base. They wouldn't drive around armed unless they planned on using their load, and I just don't see it in LA, especially these nutballs. They're not worth the price of a couple hundred 25mm.

That's why you RUN THEM OVER!

Seriously, people like that piss me off. The give all liberals a bad name.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-11-12 01:28am

fgalkin wrote:
Knife wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote: Yeah, that's why I say deadly force my ass. If it was a deadly force situation they wouldn't have been standing their shouting their stupid slogans they'd be running for their lives.

Also, I'm not familar with procedure for those but would they actually be carrying live ammo? I suppose it would depend on what they are doing but if not then this "deadly force" situation is ironic because those in the vehicle were probably in more danger from the crowd. LOL
I would guess NO. If they were in transit to another base of exercises, they'd probably use the ammo point at that base. They wouldn't drive around armed unless they planned on using their load, and I just don't see it in LA, especially these nutballs. They're not worth the price of a couple hundred 25mm.
That's why you RUN THEM OVER!

Seriously, people like that piss me off. The give all liberals a bad name.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Tell me about it. I alternately want to congratulate the Protest Warriors for opposing the morons and slap them for using their idiocy to smear everyone left of center.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2004-11-12 01:28am

Definitely just passing through. Note how its right hand turn signalis on and how it is in the right hand turning lane.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-11-12 01:38am

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Knife wrote:
I would guess NO. If they were in transit to another base of exercises, they'd probably use the ammo point at that base. They wouldn't drive around armed unless they planned on using their load, and I just don't see it in LA, especially these nutballs. They're not worth the price of a couple hundred 25mm.
Actually, against a dense mass of protesters ammunition expenditure should be minimal, just fire APDS instead of HE and watch as each round slices though ten people

meh, their a wide target at the point in which the LAV is there with em. I'd prefer to drive down the street some and give em some enfilade fire. But then again, I'm a perfectionist on such things.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-11-12 01:40am

Knife wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:
Knife wrote:
I would guess NO. If they were in transit to another base of exercises, they'd probably use the ammo point at that base. They wouldn't drive around armed unless they planned on using their load, and I just don't see it in LA, especially these nutballs. They're not worth the price of a couple hundred 25mm.
Actually, against a dense mass of protesters ammunition expenditure should be minimal, just fire APDS instead of HE and watch as each round slices though ten people
meh, their a wide target at the point in which the LAV is there with em. I'd prefer to drive down the street some and give em some enfilade fire. But then again, I'm a perfectionist on such things.

*Wonders what DU is doing with this, and what they'd think of the turn this thread is taking.*

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-11-12 01:47am

Rogue 9 wrote: *Wonders what DU is doing with this, and what they'd think of the turn this thread is taking.*

Wonders if DU would provide the long axis of their group to coincide with the long axis of my beaten zone?

dr. what · Post by **dr. what** » 2004-11-12 02:32am

Rogue 9 wrote: *Wonders what DU is doing with this, and what they'd think of the turn this thread is taking.*

There's two threads there on this --one actually semi-rational and the other one blathering something about Kent state.

This is from the LA Indymedia site:

I wasn't there at the Tuesday night demonstration in Westwood, but I
did do some follow-up investigation this morning about the two armored
vehicles.

Turns out the West Los Angeles Veterans Administration was having a
Veterans Day parade and celebration this morning (Wednesday). I drove
over and walked in to the WLA VA to look around at 10:50am.

Lots of marching middle school ROTC "cadets" (including
11-to-14-year-old boys and girls from Mt. Vernon Middle School all in
US Army uniform, some shouldering parade "rifles") and a high school
band and antique cars filled with VAFW members. And two USMC Striker
armored vehicles complete with 6 or 7 Marines in fatigues and body
armor giving junior high ROTC kids and adults tours of the vehicles.

I talked to one Marine with one of the "Striker" vehicles. He told me
they had driven the vehicles up from Camp Pendleton the night before
(Tuesday) on the freeway. Getting off the 405 Freeway going north, they
would have passed Wilshire and Veteran where ANSWER had called a rally
to protest the attack on Fallujah in Iraq.

I asked him if he was "rolling around Westwood" Tuesday night. He said,
"Yeah, and we drove past that anti-war demonstration. We was lost.
We're not from L.A. We didn't know where this place (WLA VA) was. We
were trying to find it."

"Did you drive around the block twice?" I asked.

"Yeah, we did. We stopped to ask them (the protestors) directions, but
they weren't very nice."

There was more conversation, but that was the gist of it from the
Marine side concerning the armored vehicles. For what it's worth.

I've also been receiving emails from friends who were at Tuesday
evening's Westwood demostration. They report that the LAPD officers
said they had no idea why the two armored vehicles had appeared and
then disappeared.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Asking for directions and they run into some anti-war protestors?

This sounds like something from a bad hollywood comedy

"Sarge--we're lost!"
<Kelsey Grammer as the sarge>
"Don't worry--there's some young people there--seem to be hanging around--no doubt discussing complex and myriad issues of our day. Excuse me people , do you know the way to--"

Hilarity ensues.......

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2004-11-12 02:36am

On a side note I did spend 24 out of 48 hours following the Verdict working as a FEMA Deputy Marshall unarmed and pretending to be there for protection of the firefighters and the teamsters.

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2004-11-12 02:43am

Sometimes life is more humorious than reality.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-11-12 09:26am

dr. what wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote: *Wonders what DU is doing with this, and what they'd think of the turn this thread is taking.*
There's two threads there on this --one actually semi-rational and the other one blathering something about Kent state.

This is from the LA Indymedia site:

I wasn't there at the Tuesday night demonstration in Westwood, but I
did do some follow-up investigation this morning about the two armored
vehicles.

Turns out the West Los Angeles Veterans Administration was having a
Veterans Day parade and celebration this morning (Wednesday). I drove
over and walked in to the WLA VA to look around at 10:50am.

Lots of marching middle school ROTC "cadets" (including
11-to-14-year-old boys and girls from Mt. Vernon Middle School all in
US Army uniform, some shouldering parade "rifles") and a high school
band and antique cars filled with VAFW members. And two USMC Striker
armored vehicles complete with 6 or 7 Marines in fatigues and body
armor giving junior high ROTC kids and adults tours of the vehicles.

I talked to one Marine with one of the "Striker" vehicles. He told me
they had driven the vehicles up from Camp Pendleton the night before
(Tuesday) on the freeway. Getting off the 405 Freeway going north, they
would have passed Wilshire and Veteran where ANSWER had called a rally
to protest the attack on Fallujah in Iraq.

I asked him if he was "rolling around Westwood" Tuesday night. He said,
"Yeah, and we drove past that anti-war demonstration. We was lost.
We're not from L.A. We didn't know where this place (WLA VA) was. We
were trying to find it."

"Did you drive around the block twice?" I asked.

"Yeah, we did. We stopped to ask them (the protestors) directions, but
they weren't very nice."

There was more conversation, but that was the gist of it from the
Marine side concerning the armored vehicles. For what it's worth.

I've also been receiving emails from friends who were at Tuesday
evening's Westwood demostration. They report that the LAPD officers
said they had no idea why the two armored vehicles had appeared and
then disappeared.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Asking for directions and they run into some anti-war protestors?

This sounds like something from a bad hollywood comedy

"Sarge--we're lost!"
<Kelsey Grammer as the sarge>
"Don't worry--there's some young people there--seem to be hanging around--no doubt discussing complex and myriad issues of our day. Excuse me people , do you know the way to--"

Hilarity ensues.......

Thats not half of it... The first day they thought Martial Law had been envoked...

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-11-12 09:36am

theski wrote: Thats not half of it... The first day they thought Martial Law had been envoked...

what the fuck was in the community bong that day?

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-11-12 09:56am

Col. Crackpot wrote:
theski wrote: Thats not half of it... The first day they thought Martial Law had been envoked...
what the fuck was in the community bong that day?

You really need to lurk there more often.. It will bring a smile to your face just about every day...

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2004-11-12 01:39pm

Darth Wong wrote:Remember: if you can't be heroic like the real Tiananmen Square guy, you can at least go through the motions!

"Wow, Chad, you really stared death in the face tonight!"

"I'll say, Brett! When they flashed the turn signal at me, I almost spilled my mocha latte!"

dr. what · Post by **dr. what** » 2004-11-12 03:31pm

Lord Poe wrote:
"Wow, Chad, you really stared death in the face tonight!"

"I'll say, Brett! When they flashed the turn signal at me, I almost spilled my mocha latte!"

<Granola-eating hippy chick overhears conversation>
"Oooohhh! You poor thing! You must be really dedicated to saving the world! Let's make love in a field of flowers!"

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2004-11-12 05:32pm

They still don't look like Strykers to me. None of the ones shown in the GM/GDLS brochure have that kind of turret. The closest would probably be the Mobile Gun System version, which is the only with that turret shape, but the gun itself doesn't look right. The Stryker Brigade Combat Team has a website with pictures of all variants (I think they're the same as from the GM/GDLS Brochure, but larger). If they are Strykers, they're almost definitely Stryker MGS, but I still think they look more like LAVs of some sort.

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2004-11-12 06:29pm

I find this funny, look at some of the comments left on this page.

http://www.haloscan.com/comments/katsiv ... 845303568/

dear lord, are people really that crazy!?!?! It was a minor anti war protest. No one gave a fuck about it. So I doubt it was even remotely high enough priority to send the military in.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2004-11-12 06:29pm

The Dark: They're USMC LAVs.

Oh, and that article fgalkin linked too? Well, it's on a Blog, too. Go look at the comments:

AmericaBLOG

If it's any worse at DU, I would be shocked.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-11-12 06:31pm

Personally I think deep down these people want the US military to be deploying troops to protests that way they can finally say "Look we've been right all along"

Post by **RogueIce** » 2004-11-12 06:37pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:Personally I think deep down these people want the US military to be deploying troops to protests that way they can finally say "Look we've been right all along"

Some Blogger wrote:John---

Sadly, I think you KNOW what the U.S. has become. Our democracy is dead. We are now a fascist country, where peaceful protesting can get you killed. It's only a matter of time now, before a protester gets killed. It's not "if", but "when". And when that happens, I think you'll see the country erupt into violence, like a match thrown into a pool of gasoline. Frankly, I will welcome that outcome, because this country isn't worth shit the way it is now.

That last sentence scares me. But looks like there's at least one person who wants it to happen, Kami.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-11-12 06:42pm

RogueIce wrote:
Some Blogger wrote:John---

Sadly, I think you KNOW what the U.S. has become. Our democracy is dead. We are now a fascist country, where peaceful protesting can get you killed. It's only a matter of time now, before a protester gets killed. It's not "if", but "when". And when that happens, I think you'll see the country erupt into violence, like a match thrown into a pool of gasoline. Frankly, I will welcome that outcome, because this country isn't worth shit the way it is now.
That last sentence scares me. But looks like there's at least one person who wants it to happen, Kami.

Jesus christ. This is just another example of selective thought process. We all see a Stryker sitting there harmlessly, maybe even there to protest against the protesters. However, they see vehicles deployed to their location to put them down. (Funny how these deployed vehicles just abandoned their mission)

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-11-12 06:44pm

RogueIce wrote:If it's any worse at DU, I would be shocked.

You'd be shocked by anything said at DU?

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-11-12 07:22pm

That Blogger is an idiot. He's claiming the "tanks" (for the love of christ man at least learn what a real fucking tanks looks like... pansy) were using deadly force on the protestors. What kind of shit do you have to replace your brain with to screw up the defination of deadly force? It's as if he trying to be the biggest shit eating moron on the planet.

Wait let me do that last sentence over.

It's has if he trying to be the biggest shit eating moron on the planet.