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Post by **Vympel** » 2004-11-14 12:48am

Could we have some screenshots of the craters in Bespin's walls (from both Boba and the Stormies?)

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-11-14 12:51am

Vympel wrote:Could we have some screenshots of the craters in Bespin's walls (from both Boba and the Stormies?)

And some "Han's Blaster vs. Concrete in Docking Bay 94" shots.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-11-14 01:05am

Look in my Star Wars evidence directory. I think they're in there. Let me look.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-11-14 01:06am

Master of Ossus wrote:
Vympel wrote:Could we have some screenshots of the craters in Bespin's walls (from both Boba and the Stormies?)
And some "Han's Blaster vs. Concrete in Docking Bay 94" shots.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-11-14 01:08am

Vympel wrote:Could we have some screenshots of the craters in Bespin's walls (from both Boba and the Stormies?)

Damn, it seems I don't have these. Sorry.

But here's one of the turbolift door in the detention block being blasted, if anyone needs that.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2004-11-14 01:10am

Rogue 9 wrote:But here's one of the turbolift door in the detention block being blasted, if anyone needs that.

How did they blow up the door like that and not kill the officer inside it? It has been a long time since I watched the movie, but I believe there was an Imperial officer (grey suit guys) in that turbolift was there not?

Brian

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-11-14 01:12am

I don't recall that ...

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2004-11-14 01:12am

Rogue 9 wrote:And some "Han's Blaster vs. Concrete in Docking Bay 94" shots.

Holy shit Han shoots a wall and the shrapnel from the wall sprays and kills two stormtroopers, one behind cover?

Now if Han could only have aimed a little better, the shrapnel could have gotten all four of the troopers

Brian

Aquatain · Post by **Aquatain** » 2004-11-14 01:41am

Just been on that site and had a look around,just out of curiosity didn't the imperial officer say "sir we have lost Brigde deflectorshilds" after Both globes went boom on the Executor?

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-11-14 01:46am

Aquatain wrote:Just been on that site and had a look around,just out of curiosity didn't the imperial officer say "sir we have lost Brigde deflectorshilds" after Both globes went boom on the Executor?

Yeah, because the A-wings were pounding on the globes when the shield went down. If you watch carefully, the first A-wing torpedoes disappear when they hit the globe, THEN some get through and blow it up. The only reasonable explanation is, the A-wings were making a run on the globes when the entire fleet pounding on the Executer took down the shields, and their missles took out the globe.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-11-14 01:48am

Vympel wrote:I don't recall that ...

You don't? Clearly you need to review A New Hope again, then.

If it wasn't for the fact that the Trekkies dispute that blasters were used on the door, that'd be even better for your point.

Aquatain · Post by **Aquatain** » 2004-11-14 01:57am

Aquatain wrote:
Just been on that site and had a look around,just out of curiosity didn't the imperial officer say "sir we have lost Brigde deflectorshilds" after Both globes went boom on the Executor?

Yeah, because the A-wings were pounding on the globes when the shield went down. If you watch carefully, the first A-wing torpedoes disappear when they hit the globe, THEN some get through and blow it up. The only reasonable explanation is, the A-wings were making a run on the globes when the entire fleet pounding on the Executer took down the shields, and their missles took out the globe.

Thanks for the answer!

The reason i asked is that i have always myself belived that the domes where infact the shieldprojectors making a localized "extra shield" around the bridge",and that the officer was talking about the extra shield not the shield for the entire ship,to my logic he would just say "sir all shields are down(or something like that)" if that was the case.(hell i'm new here).

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-11-14 01:58am

Aquatain wrote:Just been on that site and had a look around,just out of curiosity didn't the imperial officer say "sir we have lost Brigde deflectorshilds" after Both globes went boom on the Executor?

Only one globe was ever knocked out on the Executor.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2004-11-14 02:01am

Rogue 9 wrote:You don't? Clearly you need to review A New Hope again, then.

So... officer or no officer?

Even if there was one, I'm sure it would be easy for the officer to hide behind the stormies in the elevator... although a stray piece of shrapnel would be pretty painful.

Why weren't the stormies in the elevator hurt by the explosion? Han's blaster shooting the concrete wall created enough shrapnel to disable stormtroopers, but stormtroopers shooting their own blasters at a metal wall doesn't create enough shrapnel to kill at point blank range? Maybe the materials are used in starship construction so that shrapnel doesn't burst from every shot. This makes sense given that we see stormies shoot at Han and never see shrapnel like the scene in the picture. The blaster shots of the stormies hit the ramp of the Falcon, and the ramp didn't burst into dangerous shrapnel shards.

Brian

Aquatain · Post by **Aquatain** » 2004-11-14 02:10am

Aquatain wrote:
Just been on that site and had a look around,just out of curiosity didn't the imperial officer say "sir we have lost Brigde deflectorshilds" after Both globes went boom on the Executor?

Only one globe was ever knocked out on the Executor.

Didn't a X-wing collide with the other Dome taking it out?...hmm i better rewatch the movie.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-11-14 02:12am

Aquatain wrote:
Aquatain wrote:
Just been on that site and had a look around,just out of curiosity didn't the imperial officer say "sir we have lost Brigde deflectorshilds" after Both globes went boom on the Executor?

Only one globe was ever knocked out on the Executor.
Didn't a X-wing collide with the other Dome taking it out?...hmm i better rewatch the movie.

No, that was on one of the normal Star Destroyers, not the Executer.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-11-14 02:12am

BTW, this forum is great. I needed some practice.

And I finally get to debate the famed DorkStar!

Aquatain · Post by **Aquatain** » 2004-11-14 02:40am

Aquatain wrote:
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Aquatain wrote:
Just been on that site and had a look around,just out of curiosity didn't the imperial officer say "sir we have lost Brigde deflectorshilds" after Both globes went boom on the Executor?

Only one globe was ever knocked out on the Executor.

Didn't a X-wing collide with the other Dome taking it out?...hmm i better rewatch the movie.

No, that was on one of the normal Star Destroyers, not the Executer.

You are right only one Dome is knocked out..damn me and my falty memory.
But i also just realized something..it dosen't matter if the shield was up or down since Shields dosen't stop solid matter, i mean in The empire strikes back Theres a Destroyer that gets it's Conning tower smashed by a asteroide right?.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-11-14 02:52am

Aquatain wrote:But i also just realized something..it dosen't matter if the shield was up or down since Shields dosen't stop solid matter, i mean in The empire strikes back Theres a Destroyer that gets it's Conning tower smashed by a asteroide right?.

Uh... no. The shield was down during that impact.

http://www.mcc3d.com/swtech/TowerShot.mov

Keep your eyes on the blue comet.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-11-14 03:15am

Aquatain wrote:
Aquatain wrote:
Quote:
Aquatain wrote:
Just been on that site and had a look around,just out of curiosity didn't the imperial officer say "sir we have lost Brigde deflectorshilds" after Both globes went boom on the Executor?

Only one globe was ever knocked out on the Executor.

Didn't a X-wing collide with the other Dome taking it out?...hmm i better rewatch the movie.

No, that was on one of the normal Star Destroyers, not the Executer.
You are right only one Dome is knocked out..damn me and my falty memory.
But i also just realized something..it dosen't matter if the shield was up or down since Shields dosen't stop solid matter, i mean in The empire strikes back Theres a Destroyer that gets it's Conning tower smashed by a asteroide right?.

No, several Star Destroyers have their shields absorb multigigaton asteroid impacts.

In that scene, the destroyer had already been in the asteroid field for two days (imagine how many hits it must have taken), and was also transmitting to Vader's flagship (we know some forms of communications require for them to drop the shields to transmit), so in all likelyhood they had either dropped the shields for long range transmission, or the shields had been downed from repeated asteroid impacts.

Also, the scene changed before the blast had faded and the captain was still talking to Vader after the asteroid hit (you see him raise his arm and a flash, but he's still standing there squinting and the display fizzles out slowly, so he definitely survived).

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2004-11-14 03:19am

I just checked the site.

Holy shit.

Did somebody make the site up to make fun of Darkstar? Everything is so poorly thought out.

Brian

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-11-14 03:20am

brianeyci wrote:I just checked the site.

Holy shit.

Did somebody make the site up to make fun of Darkstar? Everything is so poorly thought out.

Brian

Better:

It's one of Darkie's former minions! He was one of the morons on DarkStar's old board for the few days it was up.

Aquatain · Post by **Aquatain** » 2004-11-14 03:21am

Aquatain wrote:
But i also just realized something..it dosen't matter if the shield was up or down since Shields dosen't stop solid matter, i mean in The empire strikes back Theres a Destroyer that gets it's Conning tower smashed by a asteroide right?.

Uh... no. The shield was down during that impact.

http://www.mcc3d.com/swtech/TowerShot.mov

Keep your eyes on the blue comet.

He i always thought that blue comet thing was some sort of weapon.(ion cannon maybe)

No, several Star Destroyers have their shields absorb multigigaton asteroid impacts.

In that scene, the destroyer had already been in the asteroid field for two days (imagine how many hits it must have taken), and was also transmitting to Vader's flagship (we know some forms of communications require for them to drop the shields to transmit), so in all likelyhood they had either dropped the shields for long range transmission, or the shields had been downed from repeated asteroid impacts.

Also, the scene changed before the blast had faded and the captain was still talking to Vader after the asteroid hit (you see him raise his arm and a flash, but he's still standing there squinting and the display fizzles out slowly, so he definitely survived).

you are off cause right..my bad.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-11-14 03:22am

NP, I used to think the same thing a few years ago before I got involved in the ST vs SW debate.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-11-14 03:26am

Aquatain wrote:He i always thought that blue comet thing was some sort of weapon.(ion cannon maybe)

Oh, it is. It seems to be some sort of a capital ship torpedo. An identical weapon can be observed in an earlier scene in the film, but since the shield interaction in this shot is so obvious it's a good example to bring up.