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Aquatain · Post by **Aquatain** » 2004-11-14 03:26am

By the way in that movieclip ..does that x-wing shots penetrate the shields..i can see the first and second shot hitting the shield ..but the third shot seem to cause a rather big explosion.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-11-14 03:30am

BTW guys I could use a tad bit of help on the blaster subject, simply because I haven't done geometry in ages and aren't qualified to discuss the angle of the blaster bolt in 3 dimensions. If someone can smack him down on that, I'd be much oblidged.

He's getting annoying, cutting out my key points in his replies, though.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-11-14 03:33am

Aquatain wrote:By the way in that movieclip ..does that x-wing shots penetrate the shields..i can see the first and second shot hitting the shield ..but the third shot seem to cause a rather big explosion.

No. Star Wars shields don't work like Trek shields, making a big flash around the shield perimeter. Instead, the weapons explode on the edge of the INVISIBLE shield.

Remember all those explosions around the Falcon, or those explosions around Obi-wans fighter? Those are blasts hitting the shields.

You'll see in Star Wars, a weapon will hit, make a big explosion, but to tell if the shields were up or not all you have to do is look and see if it took damage. If it didn't, the shot exploded against the shield instead of the hull.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-11-14 03:44am

Aquatain wrote:By the way in that movieclip ..does that x-wing shots penetrate the shields..i can see the first and second shot hitting the shield ..but the third shot seem to cause a rather big explosion.

Yeah, it does. The bomb, however, is clearly stopped by the shield which protects the dome.

Aquatain · Post by **Aquatain** » 2004-11-14 03:45am

By the way is there any reasble explanation to why the Executor takes a dive into the Deat star, i know it lost her bridge and conning tower but hey there should be secondary bridges and then again alternative ways to control the ship, i have sailed in the danish navy for nine years and we had at least five different ways we could control our ship.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-11-14 03:51am

Aquatain wrote:By the way is there any reasble explanation to why the Executor takes a dive into the Deat star, i know it lost her bridge and conning tower but hey there should be secondary bridges and then again alternative ways to control the ship, i have sailed in the danish navy for nine years and we had at least five different ways we could control our ship.

Yeah, it happened too fast for someone to get to the secondary bridge before impact.

Aquatain · Post by **Aquatain** » 2004-11-14 03:54am

Yeah, it happened too fast for someone to get to the secondary bridge before impact.

They are in a combat situation..would't the secondary bridge be manned already?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-11-14 03:55am

Aquatain wrote:
Yeah, it happened too fast for someone to get to the secondary bridge before impact.
They are in a combat situation..would't the secondary bridge be manned already?

Sure, but that doesn't let them take control of the entire ship within seconds of the loss of the primary bridge.

DarkSilver · Post by **DarkSilver** » 2004-11-14 04:00am

.......

-collapses-

dear gods.....that site makes me ashamed of being a trekkie......or even reading STvSW debate sites......

-grabs the disruptor and sets it to maximum-

where do I point the disruptor?

Post by **Dalton** » 2004-11-14 04:04am

That site is fucking pathetic. Time for a little more subtle trolling.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-11-14 04:15am

Silly and the article are so short that it looks like this guy put no effort at all into the site. Mostly just repeats the same only retoric. He blows off the Death Star like a dog would a flea.

The no lasers things is just dumb considering the situation in which the line was used. Thos ships look not much bigger than a runabout and we much less powerful it seems as a federation shuttle.

On the other hand seeing how poorly this guy can parrot someone else argument, his cannon page, just makes it even more of a joke. Trekkies like this make me embaressed to e a Star Stek fan. Anyway the company says X and creator says Y but is vague about it so it is not really clear(a parrellel universe will have the same capibilities so argument is moot).

I officially declare this not worth my time. Anyone claiming to be Isolder74 is NOT me.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-11-14 04:22am

I've always found the lasers thing shockingly stupid. Even if we ignore the no-limits fallacy, and even if we ignore the fact that the context was the Enterprise being threatened by a primitive shuttle from a nearby world that didn't have phaser technology, there's also the fact that the episode right after had the Enterprise moving back to avoid high intensity laser fire to avoid putting the ship in danger...and Q-Who had the Borg cutting a section of the Enterprise's hull out WITH A LASER BEAM.

Do these people even watch Trek, or just repeat a rhetoric?

Post by **Dalton** » 2004-11-14 04:26am

Praxis wrote:Do these people even watch Trek, or just repeat a rhetoric?

The mindset is similar to those who believe the Bible is literally true, contradictions and all. There is no arguing against that sort of brick-wall mentality.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-11-14 04:28am

Its just like this:

An M-16 is a gun.

An Iowa-class ship will not even be dinged by M-16.

since M-16 is a gun all guns can't ding a Iowa

A 16 in gun can't harm an Iowa

Does that make any sense?

GeneralTacticus · Post by **GeneralTacticus** » 2004-11-14 04:32am

Aquatain wrote:By the way is there any reasble explanation to why the Executor takes a dive into the Deat star, i know it lost her bridge and conning tower but hey there should be secondary bridges and then again alternative ways to control the ship, i have sailed in the danish navy for nine years and we had at least five different ways we could control our ship.

Well, apart from the secondary bridge issue, the novelisation states that the Executer was "having trouble with its guidance system", which could explain why it crashed into the DS once the bridge wasn't around to keep control over the ship.

Aquatain · Post by **Aquatain** » 2004-11-14 04:50am

The Executer must be the Unluckiest ship ever the entire chain of events leading up to it's demise is incredible.

I mean here we have a ship that is probally capable of wiping out the entire attacking force of rebels by itself, it should be able to withstand extencive bombardments from the rebels and still be able to return deadly fire...but then ..smacko A-wing kamikaze-loss of control-secondary bridge failure-inpact with space station..

That ship was cursed i say ..they should have gotten rid of their "jona".

Rightous Fist Of Heaven · Post by **Rightous Fist Of Heaven** » 2004-11-14 05:17am

OMG, Dipshit has appeared from his cave!

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-11-14 05:22am

Rightous Fist Of Heaven wrote:OMG, Dipshit has appeared from his cave!

You expected he wouldn't show up to try and cover for his minions' failures?

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-11-14 05:37am

Slartibartfast wrote:Sorry, I saw their picture and couldn't help myself...

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Also I'm trying out my NEW photobucket account, yay !

Well taking into acount the NDF nature a GCS might be able kill Corellian Corvette, but that's still a battleship(GCS) vs. a corvette (blockade runner) with very big if in it.

Meest · Post by **Meest** » 2004-11-14 05:41am

Here's some fancy filters to clear up the Leia shot deal.

Even if you account for the glow instead of being burned, note the angle of the glow, clearly angled towards the back end of her arm as the source, definate glancing hit. Also the spark pattern is similar to other hits on that bunker and armoured hits. Though it seems it does burn her arm or her suit in a pulse of sparks after, possibly indicating transfer from one material to another.

Rightous Fist Of Heaven · Post by **Rightous Fist Of Heaven** » 2004-11-14 05:53am

Rogue 9 wrote:
Rightous Fist Of Heaven wrote:OMG, Dipshit has appeared from his cave!
You expected he wouldn't show up to try and cover for his minions' failures?

Looking at Star Trek.com....I guess I would have had to expect that. And his appereance was expectable in the sense that he doesnt have any meaningfull place left where to spout his bullshit anymore, he desperately needs such a place.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-11-14 08:31am

Isolder74 wrote:Its just like this:

An M-16 is a gun.

An Iowa-class ship will not even be dinged by M-16.

since M-16 is a gun all guns can't ding a Iowa

A 16 in gun can't harm an Iowa

Does that make any sense?

I've used a similar analigy, using rocks. If i throw a pebble at you it'll not hurt you, does that mean if i dropped a boulder on you you'd be unaffected.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-11-14 08:32am

Okay, erm... My apologies for all the suddenly broken pics, but my entire picture directory seems to have vanished from Kernel's server, and my password for adding files to it has been disabled. I'll try to get this sorted out ASAP.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-11-14 08:35am

Wow, and one thinks it just couldn't sink any worse.

And I rather like the biggest topic...deal with it...LMAO.

Yeah, and we wonder why most of the good Trek fans have decided to bow out of the debate and what left are the rabid retards.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-11-14 09:45am

That's the biggest pile of shit I've seen in a long time!

Obviously, this guy is a acolyte of Darkstar, with his master knowing of his apprentice's work, because he is walking around in his board. BTW he made several ST links, but only one SW link(this site). But I can image why he not wanted to link Saxton's site......