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Iran Won't Enrich Uranium

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Yahoo! News wrote:VIENNA, Austria - Iran has agreed to fully suspend uranium enrichment and linked activities that Washington asserts are part of a nuclear weapons program, diplomats said Sunday.

The diplomats told The Associated Press the Iranians apparently dropped earlier demands to modify a tentative deal worked out last weekend with European negotiators and had agreed to the conditions.

"Basically it's a full suspension," one of the diplomats said on condition of anonymity.

However, the diplomat said Iran had not yet fulfilled a key part of the deal — formally informing the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency of its decision and asking for agency inspectors to police adherence to its commitment.

"They have yet to see it in writing," he said, alluding to the International Atomic Energy Agency, which is based in Vienna. "Details are important, so they have to see it."

As negotiators for France, Germany and Britain struggled with their Iranian counterparts to bridge differences over the weekend, the IAEA delayed a report on Iran's nuclear activities scheduled for limited circulation.

A diplomat familiar with the IAEA said the delay was meant to give the two sides a chance to resolve the dispute and allow agency head Mohamed ElBaradei to include an Iranian commitment to full suspension of uranium enrichment and related activities in his report.

That report was now expected to be circulated Monday.
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It seems as if the threat of UN sanctions was enough to persuade Iran not to enrich uranium.
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However, the diplomat said Iran had not yet fulfilled a key part of the deal — formally informing the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency of its decision and asking for agency inspectors to police adherence to its commitment.
Guarding my optimism right now.
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Falkenhayn wrote:
However, the diplomat said Iran had not yet fulfilled a key part of the deal — formally informing the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency of its decision and asking for agency inspectors to police adherence to its commitment.
Guarding my optimism right now.
Same here. After all, the world works in mysterious ways and with the current American government's penchant for international-policy, we may yet see the great glass fields of Iran... :wink: 8)
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Couldn't they supply their nuclear power needs with heavy-water reactors? I don't think those need enriched fuel.
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Couldn't they supply their nuclear power needs with heavy-water reactors? I don't think those need enriched fuel.
If one overlooks little things like potential plutonium production.
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'The EU has failed! The EU is useless!' Oh look, they got farther than the US did.

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sketerpot wrote:Couldn't they supply their nuclear power needs
Iran have some of the world's largest and cheapest oilfields, they have no nuclear power need.
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CJvR wrote:
sketerpot wrote:Couldn't they supply their nuclear power needs
Iran have some of the world's largest and cheapest oilfields, they have no nuclear power need.
Because "oil" is the only variable we should look at when looking at their needs, huh? :roll:
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BoredShirtless wrote:Because "oil" is the only variable we should look at when looking at their needs, huh?
The Iranian nuclear program is even crazyer than the Swedish, if civilian power generation is all they are after...
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CJvR wrote:
sketerpot wrote:Couldn't they supply their nuclear power needs
Iran have some of the world's largest and cheapest oilfields, they have no nuclear power need.
Wasn't Iran claiming that their uranium enrichment facilities were for nuclear power?

But damn it, tharkûn is right; heavy-water reactors can produce plutonium. Scratch my idea.
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sketerpot wrote:
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sketerpot wrote:Couldn't they supply their nuclear power needs
Iran have some of the world's largest and cheapest oilfields, they have no nuclear power need.
Wasn't Iran claiming that their uranium enrichment facilities were for nuclear power?
Bushehr is based on a Russian reactor design which I believe requires enriched uranium to properly fuel it.
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Sure they won't. Like Arafat's death, I won't believe it until I see it. You'll excuse me for not having much faith and taking this news with a truckload of salt until it's been verified by IAEA inspectors.
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It's not like a totaliitarian government has ever LIED about a treaty before, eh :wink:
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Trust, but verify.
Does anyone hear ever actualy go to MEMRI.org?
The Iranian government makes no bones about wanting nuclear weapons, and claims it is both their right and duty to persue them.
The claim of using nuclear power for electricty is a Big Lie, often repeated by Useful Fools. The electricity is a unintended but useful side effect of their weapons project.
They want bombs, to be able to pull a NK on the world. Just before they nuke Israel.
They also understand, that unlike NK, glassing their country won't cause all the fallout to hurt all those US allies down wind.
Delay, delay, delay, delay. THAT is their game, as time is on their side.
They will tell the EU what it wants to hear, then argue over terms and verifiction. Then start over, claimng they are willing to compromise, and repeat. The EU, wanting a deal not a conflict, (as if there wasn't ALREADY a conflict!) will swollow these bald faced lies.

They only need to buy 9 to 18 months, then it will be too late..

I prey to a nonexsistant god that we (the USA) WILL NOT fall for this crap, and we blast their facilities with a massive series of missile strikes and some B-2 lovin' for good measure.
Hmmmmmm.

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EmperorChrostas the Cruel wrote:The claim of using nuclear power for electricty is a Big Lie, often repeated by Useful Fools. The electricity is a unintended but useful side effect of their weapons project.
Evidence for this claim, please.
They want bombs, to be able to pull a NK on the world. Just before they nuke Israel.
Evidence for this claim, please.
They also understand, that unlike NK, glassing their country won't cause all the fallout to hurt all those US allies down wind.
Evidence for this claim, please.

Delay, delay, delay, delay. THAT is their game, as time is on their side.
They will tell the EU what it wants to hear, then argue over terms and verifiction. Then start over, claimng they are willing to compromise, and repeat. The EU, wanting a deal not a conflict, (as if there wasn't ALREADY a conflict!) will swollow these bald faced lies.[/quote]

Evidence for this claim, please.
They only need to buy 9 to 18 months, then it will be too late..

I prey to a nonexsistant god that we (the USA) WILL NOT fall for this crap, and we blast their facilities with a massive series of missile strikes and some B-2 lovin' for good measure.
Seems like Comical Axi's insanity is catching.
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http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/worl ... clear.html
What a "coincedence" shouting death to America during a vote for nuclear tech.
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Cooper, a US State Department spokesman, declared:

'Although Iran has repeatedly asserted that its nuclear program is exclusively for peaceful purposes and its pursuit of uranium enrichment technologies are to fuel a planned civilian power program, Iran will have no peaceful use for enriched uranium for many, many years... The rush to convert 37 tons of yellowcake into feed-stock for centrifuge enrichment has no peaceful justification. ...Thirty-seven tons of yellowcake is not a test. It is a production run.'
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FI24Ak02.html

Yeh, I'm just making this shit up. Especialy the part about death to America.
They don't REALY want nuclear weapons, they just want electricity. :roll:
The bitch of this is, I can not with the limited time I have, locate sources I have been reading for years, forming a history with continuity. I have already come across 7 "web page no longer here" messages from Yahoo news, and other ephemeral news sources.

So what's the deal Deagan, do YOU NOT believe Iran wants nuclear weapons?
Or is this just asking me for proof as an internet debait?
Just how WOULD I "prove" what is going on in the heads of people in a country halfway around the world. Especialy ones whos primary language most westerners speak?
The Arabs states and stastesmen are well known for saying what the west wants to hear in English, and the truth is their own language.

How do I know what is in their heads? The history of their past actions!
That's the ONLY way besides to telepathy to know what is in someones mind.
Hmmmmmm.

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I might add that monoligual politicians in the west must tell the same lie in their only language as in the foriegn one, as it is interperted before sent out for foregn journalist. They can't say opposite things in two different languages without immediatly getting caught. Needing to be consistant with
Only the arabs get to say peace and war out of two sides of their mouths at the same time. This is only due to the lack of arabic speakers in the west, not a moral superiority.(No on in their home countries is calling them on it, [from the perspective of a westerner] because they don't have a free press)

All politicians lie, but WHAT they lie about differs.
Hmmmmmm.

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Damn that last post was garbled!
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Hmmmmmm.

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Reminds me of that political cartoon with the Soviet Bear holding nuclear
weapons in one hand, and holding out the other hand for the inspectors.

"Right, okay, lets see the other hand."

The Bear simply switches the hand that holds the nukes, and holds out
the other hand.

The inspector then turns to Reagan (or some oother president) and
says "See! There's nothing to worry about!" while the Bear is smirking.
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Iran Won't Enrich Uranium
And Hitler wouldn't invade Poland. :roll:
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MKSheppard wrote:Reminds me of that political cartoon with the Soviet Bear holding nuclear
weapons in one hand, and holding out the other hand for the inspectors.

"Right, okay, lets see the other hand."

The Bear simply switches the hand that holds the nukes, and holds out
the other hand.

The inspector then turns to Reagan (or some oother president) and
says "See! There's nothing to worry about!" while the Bear is smirking.
The finnal line was "What's the big deal about verification?"
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I get the distinct feeling this will go along the lines of North Korea. Accept aid in order to halt Nuclear development. Stall a bit, play nice, demand greater amounts of aid until the EU says no. Then when they've fleeced all the aid money they could get, then continue with their weapons development. It's telling that they've only agreed to a temporary ban. I'd like to think better of the situation, but comparative politics is not a feild that encourages optomism.
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Edit to last post- Scratch mention of temporary suspension. That was based on earlier negotiations when Iran had refused to agree to a full suspension. Also, it appears they have agreed to accpet a lower level of aid. My mistake, but I still have reservations.
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EmperorChrostas the Cruel wrote:http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/worl ... clear.html
What a "coincedence" shouting death to America during a vote for nuclear tech.
They shout "Death To America" when approving the budget request for the Helium Fund or whatever. You'll have to do better than this alarmist bullshit for evidence. Understand the concept, Chrostas? That means "observed, testable fact", not inference based on an Appeal to Emotion.
Cooper, a US State Department spokesman, declared:

'Although Iran has repeatedly asserted that its nuclear program is exclusively for peaceful purposes and its pursuit of uranium enrichment technologies are to fuel a planned civilian power program, Iran will have no peaceful use for enriched uranium for many, many years... The rush to convert 37 tons of yellowcake into feed-stock for centrifuge enrichment has no peaceful justification. ...Thirty-seven tons of yellowcake is not a test. It is a production run.'
And Mr. Cooper's supporting evidence for this assertion is... ?

BTW, it's funny how you ignore the caveat appearing in the Asia Times article you yourself cited:

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Asia Times wrote:Highly informed Iranian experts canvassed by Asia Times Online say that contrary to some Western and Israeli science and intelligence sources that put Iran two to five years from the atomic bomb, it would take the country about 10 years to make its first nuclear weapon. "To produce an atomic bomb, one needs more than 64,000 modern centrifuges running together with much other equipment 24 hours a day, but to our knowledge, Iran has but 164 pilot centrifuges," one expert said, speaking on condition of not being named.
—as well as the fact that developments in the past several months have rendered certain items of the October 2003 PINR article moot.
Yeh, I'm just making this shit up. Especialy the part about death to America.
Appeal to Emotion Fallacy, again.
They don't REALY want nuclear weapons, they just want electricity. :roll:
Until you can present evidence to the contrary, you can engage in all the speculation you like as long as you understand that as a standard for proof, speculation counts for exactly dick.
The bitch of this is, I can not with the limited time I have, locate sources I have been reading for years, forming a history with continuity. I have already come across 7 "web page no longer here" messages from Yahoo news, and other ephemeral news sources.
Which means you cannot support your case. Thought so.
So what's the deal Deagan, do YOU NOT believe Iran wants nuclear weapons? Or is this just asking me for proof as an internet debait?
No, it's expecting that you can actually substantiate the assertions you make in a discussion thread with something other than Begging The Question Fallacies and Appeals To Emotion Fallacies.
Just how WOULD I "prove" what is going on in the heads of people in a country halfway around the world. Especialy ones whos primary language most westerners speak?
What's going on in their heads is irrelevant. Intelligence as to their activities and capabilities is what a proof would be based upon.
The Arabs states and stastesmen are well known for saying what the west wants to hear in English, and the truth is their own language.
What a lovely, ignorant Non-Sequitor —there is a difference between Arabs and Iranians, as even the Iranians would point out.
How do I know what is in their heads? The history of their past actions! That's the ONLY way besides to telepathy to know what is in someones mind.
Yet another Begging the Question Fallacy. Come back when you've got something resembling a demonstrable item of proof to back your assertions.
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EmperorChrostas the Cruel wrote:It's not like a totaliitarian government has ever LIED about a treaty before, eh :wink:
CoughNorthKoreaCough
The Iranian gov is in many ways unpleasant but it isn’t totalitarian and is in many ways its fairly progressive (by ME standards of course) and is significantly more open than many of our allies in the region.
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They want bombs, to be able to pull a NK on the world. Just before they nuke Israel.
Yes clearly they want nukes to launch an unprovoked first strike upon Israel and not because they want to safeguard themselves from invasion in a way that only nukes can. The desire to balance all the nukes Israel currently has aimed at them isn’t a factor either, obviously there’s no possibility that the Iranians might see the merit of the M.A.D. doctrine, no they just want to take out that peace loving, hippy commune Israel even though they know full well that doing so would mean utter destruction for themselves :roll:
They also understand, that unlike NK, glassing their country won't cause all the fallout to hurt all those US allies down wind.
Delay, delay, delay, delay. THAT is their game, as time is on their side.
They will tell the EU what it wants to hear, then argue over terms and verifiction. Then start over, claimng they are willing to compromise, and repeat. The EU, wanting a deal not a conflict, (as if there wasn't ALREADY a conflict!) will swollow these bald faced lies.
What exactly do you mean when you say there’s “ALREADY a conflict”?
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<snip>

Somehow, Patrick, I don't think the US is going to be fooled the way they
were under Clinton's watch when the KorComs kept their nuke program
ongoing while they accepted fuel oil under an agreement negotiated by
Jimmy Carter.
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