Incompetence in Fallujah

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-11-13 05:34pm

Geeze you think they were in a war zone or something...

Look Keevan it's easy to sling shit here, but these guys are busy being shot at.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-11-13 05:35pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:"plain old fashioned made in the USA arrogant disrespect"

Exhibit A:

MKSheppard wrote: They stormed and seized the place with gunfire and cannonfire, they fucking
deserve to have a rest, and fuck all who complain.

*sigh* Its not arrogance, rather than expidiency. Anymore than a marble statue would make great cover in the thick of shit, when any other time it is a cultural icon. Or the Presidential Bedroom is just a good place to rack out half a platoon, when before it was an executive privilage.

If it were an operational mosque and the troops barged in there and did a line dance on the rug, you'd have a point. When the troops have fought to take it against the enemy who used it as a stronghold, then collapse on a covienient soft and semi comfortable rug, then it hardly make them arrogant, just tired.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2004-11-13 05:42pm

The whole OP is a perfect example of whiny, disconnected liberal fucks. Not to say that all liberal fucks are whiny and disconnected, no... it's a subset that will find not only ANY reason to criticize the conservatives, but they'll find the DUMBEST reasons.

"America is disrespectful for using practical and efficient behaviors in a crisis." Oh yeah. This REALLY makes me regret not voting for John Kerry. "Sensitive war", indeed.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2004-11-13 05:43pm

frigidmagi wrote:Geeze you think they were in a war zone or something...

Look Keevan it's easy to sling shit here, but these guys are busy being shot at.

Absolutely.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-11-13 07:42pm

SPOOFE wrote:The whole OP is a perfect example of whiny, disconnected liberal fucks. Not to say that all liberal fucks are whiny and disconnected, no... it's a subset that will find not only ANY reason to criticize the conservatives, but they'll find the DUMBEST reasons.

"America is disrespectful for using practical and efficient behaviors in a crisis." Oh yeah. This REALLY makes me regret not voting for John Kerry. "Sensitive war", indeed.

How like conservative dumb-shits to equate the word "sensitive" to "feminine, gentle and pussified." I swear, you people seize on talking points like they were human blood for Dick Cheney's feeding time.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2004-11-13 07:47pm

You clearly missed the important part, "taking pictures"...if you're in a situation where you can have a sit down and get out the kodak, give a fucking thought to what you're doing with it.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-11-13 07:50pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:You clearly missed the important part, "taking pictures"...if you're in a situation where you can have a sit down and get out the kodak, give a fucking thought to what you're doing with it.

You have to be kidding. These guys had probably been fighting pretty much all day, and then they get a brief rest and someone (we have no idea who) decides to take pictures and this obligates them to take their shoes off in the middle of a room filled with potentially dangerous debris in an area that still houses insurgents how?

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-11-13 07:50pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:You clearly missed the important part, "taking pictures"...if you're in a situation where you can have a sit down and get out the kodak, give a fucking thought to what you're doing with it.

Doesn't look very "secured" to me there. Once
again, Keevan proves his stupidity.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2004-11-13 08:00pm

Shep you fucking idiot, can you read a sentence?
"have a sit down" slip right past you?

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2004-11-13 08:03pm

Master of Ossus wrote:You have to be kidding. These guys had probably been fighting pretty much all day, and then they get a brief rest and someone (we have no idea who) decides to take pictures and this obligates them to take their shoes off in the middle of a room filled with potentially dangerous debris in an area that still houses insurgents how?

Did I say they should take thier shoes off?
No, I said they shouldnt be lounging about taking fucking pictures disrespecting a holy place if they dont want to keep fucking the locals off...

Heaven forbid someone might connect the dots and think of the whole thing in one go.

As for who took the picture, as they are apparently out hunting insurgents and the camera is in the room it's either one of the soldiers or someone with the soldiers taking it. Either way, not a good reflection on them.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-11-13 11:47pm

And what would you have them do instead, Keevan? Hunt around for another, non-holy building to take a breather in and then secure it? You're being ridiculous. What if they all took their boots off to show respect and then insurgents attacked? Whoops! Time to spend a minute or two putting your shoes back on. (But not before having everyone walk to the lobby of the mosque and off of the prayer rug to do so, of course.)

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-11-14 01:08am

I'm trying to fathom why it may possibly be okay to take a rest inside a damaged mosque, but if someone dares to snap a picture then the entire situation becomes irredeemably offensive.

Falkenhayn · Post by **Falkenhayn** » 2004-11-14 01:13am

[Zulu] Whats wrong Mr. Witt? Isn't this as good a place as any for a man to be when he's in pain?[/Zulu]

Falkenhayn · Post by **Falkenhayn** » 2004-11-14 01:17am

Damn, no edit.

I forgot to include how Allah frowns upon the infidel. Especially those that give him praise by a different name. Silly monotheistic theology.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2004-11-14 06:22am

Keevan_Colton wrote:
Did I say they should take thier shoes off?
No, I said they shouldnt be lounging about taking fucking pictures disrespecting a holy place if they dont want to keep fucking the locals off...

Heaven forbid someone might connect the dots and think of the whole thing in one go.

As for who took the picture, as they are apparently out hunting insurgents and the camera is in the room it's either one of the soldiers or someone with the soldiers taking it. Either way, not a good reflection on them.

With all due respect, you dont know the situation they were in nor do you have an accurate context to base an opinion. The photo should probably not have become public, but never the less, there is a saying that you tell a person what to do, not how they should do it.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2004-11-14 07:56am

This from the Los Angeles Times:
or the most clever, insidious, skillful effort towards bringing about an apocalyptic world war. Are they asleep at the awheel, drowning under their own ignorance, or simply want to end life on earth as we know it?

Now that is a bullshit filled statement if I've ever seen one.

CJvR · Post by **CJvR** » 2004-11-14 09:26am

Howedar wrote:I'm trying to fathom why it may possibly be okay to take a rest inside a damaged mosque, but if someone dares to snap a picture then the entire situation becomes irredeemably offensive.

No, the problem start only if such a picture is made public. An excelent PR image to fire up the ignorant.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2004-11-14 09:46am

CJvR wrote:No, the problem start only if such a picture is made public. An excelent PR image to fire up the ignorant.

And do you know the best way to stop a picture becoming public....dont let it get taken in the first fucking place.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-11-14 09:54am

Keevan_Colton wrote:And do you know the best way to stop a picture becoming public....dont let it get taken in the first fucking place.

Or confiscate it. HMG does have some rather interesting ideas on public copyright.

SecondStorm · Post by **SecondStorm** » 2004-11-14 11:56am

Master of Ossus wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote:You clearly missed the important part, "taking pictures"...if you're in a situation where you can have a sit down and get out the kodak, give a fucking thought to what you're doing with it.
You have to be kidding. These guys had probably been fighting pretty much all day, and then they get a brief rest and someone (we have no idea who) decides to take pictures and this obligates them to take their shoes off in the middle of a room filled with potentially dangerous debris in an area that still houses insurgents how?

Perhaps they shouldnt be taking pictures then ?

A set of rules of what pictures can be taken by GIs and more importantly be disseminated on the internet might be a good idea.
GIs arent journalists, they are there to fight.
A picture like this can be used in the media-war which is just as important as the real war if we want a favorable outcome of this whole mess.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-11-14 01:06pm

If someone caught a picture of insurgents wearing shoes in the same mosque I'm sure nobody would care.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2004-11-14 04:22pm

How like conservative dumb-shits to equate the word "sensitive" to "feminine, gentle and pussified."

And where did I do that, you brainless simpleton? Please quote the part of my post where I used the word "feminine" or "pussified".

Uther · Post by **Uther** » 2004-11-14 04:44pm

ggs wrote:
This from the Los Angeles Times:
or the most clever, insidious, skillful effort towards bringing about an apocalyptic world war. Are they asleep at the awheel, drowning under their own ignorance, or simply want to end life on earth as we know it?
Now that is a bullshit filled statement if I've ever seen one.

Just to clarify, the way this is quoted makes it appear as though the LA Times is talking about World War III. They're not, it's the blogger.

Sorry, I'm from near LA, so I wanted to stand up for the local rag.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2004-11-14 04:50pm

I'm from LA, and I know for a fact that the LA Times is full of shit.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2004-11-14 05:12pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:
CJvR wrote:No, the problem start only if such a picture is made public. An excelent PR image to fire up the ignorant.
And do you know the best way to stop a picture becoming public....dont let it get taken in the first fucking place.

keev, had to disagree with you, but the grunts on the ground have more important things on their minds then PR.

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