New ST-V-SW Site!

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-11-14 10:01am

BTW, I've noticed the many "(Insert picture here)". Looks like he is not only a rabid Trekkie, but also a horrible webdesigner...

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2004-11-14 11:26am

Stormtroopr rifle shots

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-11-14 11:48am

Aquatain wrote:The Executer must be the Unluckiest ship ever the entire chain of events leading up to it's demise is incredible.

I mean here we have a ship that is probally capable of wiping out the entire attacking force of rebels by itself, it should be able to withstand extencive bombardments from the rebels and still be able to return deadly fire...but then ..smacko A-wing kamikaze-loss of control-secondary bridge failure-inpact with space station..

That ship was cursed i say ..they should have gotten rid of their "jona".

Actually, thats exactly what it says in the Thrawn books, as well. If it weren't for the sudden, surprising, unlikely demise of the Executer, the Rebel fleet probably would have been wiped out.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-11-14 12:05pm

LOL, funniest thing I've seen all day!

He made a reference to Treachery, Faith, and the Great River (DS9). He told everyone that Odo blew through a superdense asteroid field with a runabout and was an amazing pilot and better than the Wars guys, therefore they could dump a torp down the Death Star 1's exhaust port. When people criticized him, he told them to watch the episode and insulted them a little bit.

I wonder if HE has watched that episode (I recorded it), since the asteroid field was NOT dense, and the asteroids were hunks of pure ice and all very large and easy to dodge.

Unfortunately, everyone else was taking him at his word, so I called him out

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-11-14 12:43pm

My gosh, I see what you guys mean about DarkStar.

He skipped responding to several of my points, cutting one picture and one video out of the response.

He then claims repeatedly that he DID answer all my points, even though a search through the page reveals that he never quoted that picture and answered it.
Then he accuses ME of not answering all his points, even though I have. And unlike me, he has no example of what I might have not answered, so I have to wonder what this imaginary point he made is.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-11-14 02:07pm

I signed up, I am hoping to have stopped the SW canon arguments with two topics I posted concerning Chee's statements. I await their responses.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-11-14 02:17pm

I find this one from Newland interesting:

See the TL thread for proof that Imperial weapons suck, and therefor so do their shields.

A classic case of Circular Logic.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-11-14 02:18pm

Meh, didn't sign up but lurked and read for the last hour or so. Really seems like Dark Star board MKII. I wonder if this guy's going to eventually get backed into a corner and then conclude his 'little experiment'.

All in all, same shit different day.

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » 2004-11-14 03:02pm

A classic case of Circular Logic.

With consistency, too:

Newland wrote:
FedRebel wrote:Where is the contradiction?
The contradiction lies where "C" canon gets contradicted. It can´t be trusted.

Kitsune · Post by **Kitsune** » 2004-11-14 04:00pm

Luzifer's right hand wrote: Take a look at the link page
St-v-Sw.net
A force in the ongoing debate about who would win, Star Trek or Star Wars. One of the few fair and balanced looks at the two universes with a minimum of flame.

StarDestroyer.net
The polar opposite of st-v-sw.net, biased among biases.(Note: View with caution)

I may disagree with some of the discussions her but must state that this is silly

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-11-14 04:21pm

Funniest thing I've seen all day...

Insults won´t get you anywhere. If you can´t be civil, don´t engage then in intelligent discussions, dumbass.

"If you can't be civil...#!@#"

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2004-11-14 04:31pm

Simple response, Praxis: "If I'm required to be civil in order to be right, what prevents you from simply doing everything you can to annoy me without presenting any actual rebuttle?"

Their system is open for abuse. And they know it. It's the only way they can win.

I think it's cute. And I won't waste my time.

Dillon · Post by **Dillon** » 2004-11-14 04:41pm

Jesus Christ, those people are fucking idiots. I never realized how infuriating it is to argue against walls of ignorance of this magnitude before.

+http://www.strek-v-swars.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=23

I just know his response is going to be on how I'm such a rude person and how that makes all my arguments invalid.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-11-14 05:25pm

*puts face in hands* Why? Why oh why do only terrible pro Trek sites exist? It's propaganda spread like this that gives us Trekkies bad names.

...

Oh wait...I gave myself a bad name.

Cyborg Stan · Post by **Cyborg Stan** » 2004-11-14 05:26pm

Since I'm too lazy to sign up myself, I'll just point out a few things here that others might've missed :

Turbolasers and the TESB Asteroid Field
+http://www.strek-v-swars.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=24

First post - since the pictures are from the TL Commentaries (Firepower Page now hosted on SD.net, they don't have an excuse for not reading the site. In this case...

Captain Newland missed the part where the sheer speed of the event greatly increases the amount of energy used. (Bloody hard to miss, since Darth Wong's further comments were in CYAN.)
He missed the part where the use of Iron instead of stone gives a much lower number for the vaporization.
He also misses where it was a point-defence gun that might not have been firing at full power, but someone else already pointed that out IIRC.
For some reason, even after supposing that they were vaporized, he still treated the 250 TJ figure like an upper limit.

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Bunker Wall vs Blaster (in regards to the Leia blaster-shot scene) - in this case, it's a simple unknown material vs unknown weapon and thus isn't that good thing to use. However, the lack of scorch mark on the wall shouldn't suprise anyone - the bunker would be pretty useless if large holes can be poked into it with common hand weapons.

And hey, it just occured to me - there's also the Docking Bay/Blaster pictures in the TL firepower page, at the very bottom! They seemed to missed this one too when leeching for pictures.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2004-11-14 05:29pm

Robert Walper wrote:*puts face in hands* Why? Why oh why do only terrible pro Trek sites exist? It's propaganda spread like this that gives us Trekkies bad names.

...

Oh wait...I gave myself a bad name.

A "pro-trek" site that seriously considered the possibility of Trek winning would probably have to consider possibilities only. For example, the entire Federation fleet being equipped with transphasic torpedoes and armor, that doesn't seem too hard to do given that Voyager was able to do this outside a spacedock with a minimum of hassle. But there's the temporal prime directive, and the Enterprise-E doesn't have transphasic torpedoes or abalative armor generators.

On an aside, has anyone calculated the yield of a transphasic torpedo with minimum and maximum values?

Brian

Dillon · Post by **Dillon** » 2004-11-14 05:47pm

brianeyci wrote:
Robert Walper wrote:*puts face in hands* Why? Why oh why do only terrible pro Trek sites exist? It's propaganda spread like this that gives us Trekkies bad names.

...

Oh wait...I gave myself a bad name.
A "pro-trek" site that seriously considered the possibility of Trek winning would probably have to consider possibilities only. For example, the entire Federation fleet being equipped with transphasic torpedoes and armor, that doesn't seem too hard to do given that Voyager was able to do this outside a spacedock with a minimum of hassle. But there's the temporal prime directive, and the Enterprise-E doesn't have transphasic torpedoes or abalative armor generators.

On an aside, has anyone calculated the yield of a transphasic torpedo with minimum and maximum values?

Brian

I believe they were deemed to not be that powerful, just able to penetrate Borg shields because they operate on frequencies. If you've seen the episode, you'll notice that the torp hits and the explosion only occurs a few seconds later, meaning that they're probably a chain reaction weapon.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-11-14 05:57pm

Cyborg Stan wrote:
Bunker Wall vs Blaster (in regards to the Leia blaster-shot scene) - in this case, it's a simple unknown material vs unknown weapon and thus isn't that good thing to use. However, the lack of scorch mark on the wall shouldn't suprise anyone - the bunker would be pretty useless if large holes can be poked into it with common hand weapons.

DarkStar and I are having a debate. He insists from the angle that it hit Leia's arm.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2004-11-14 06:09pm

observer_20000 wrote:I believe they were deemed to not be that powerful, just able to penetrate Borg shields because they operate on frequencies. If you've seen the episode, you'll notice that the torp hits and the explosion only occurs a few seconds later, meaning that they're probably a chain reaction weapon.

Or that effect has something to do with the "phasic" moniker of the torpedo. "Phasic" could mean any number of things.

All ships in Star Trek operate on frequencies anyway. How did they determine that only Borg ships would be weak to the torpedo?

Brian

Dillon · Post by **Dillon** » 2004-11-14 06:11pm

brianeyci wrote:
observer_20000 wrote:I believe they were deemed to not be that powerful, just able to penetrate Borg shields because they operate on frequencies. If you've seen the episode, you'll notice that the torp hits and the explosion only occurs a few seconds later, meaning that they're probably a chain reaction weapon.
Or that effect has something to do with the "phasic" moniker of the torpedo. "Phasic" could mean any number of things.

All ships in Star Trek operate on frequencies anyway. How did they determine that only Borg ships would be weak to the torpedo?

Brian

Maybe it would work on all enemies, but they're expensive so they're only used when they're needed? If you want to know I suggest you do a board search. I'm only speaking from memory here.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-11-14 06:32pm

Crap, made a math mistake :s

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-11-14 06:34pm

Wow. The guy just said Slave 1 has more firepower than a Star Destroyer.

JediMaster415 · Post by **JediMaster415** » 2004-11-14 06:49pm

This is the first time I've seen Darkstar in action in realtime. He was long gone by the time I got here. It's comparable in hilarity to Blazing Saddles. Though for different reasons.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-11-14 06:51pm

Praxis wrote:Wow. The guy just said Slave 1 has more firepower than a Star Destroyer.

Sweet Jesus. That's pretty much an admission that you don't know what the hell's going on.

JediMaster415 · Post by **JediMaster415** » 2004-11-14 06:53pm

I can feel my brain rotting, just reading his posts. I might fail high school if this continues.