New PETA campaign: Fish are smart

[Darth Wong]

PETA people aren't the only ones guilty of this. Your average person is more outraged by a story of a dog's throat getting cut by some local sicko than by a story about a hundred people dying in Sudan. They're just farther along the same spectrum.

[Wicked Pilot]

PETA people aren't the only ones guilty of this. Your average person is more outraged by a story of a dog's throat getting cut by some local sicko than by a story about a hundred people dying in Sudan. They're just farther along the same spectrum.

Well I for one care more about some Sudanese getting their throat slit by some local sicko than a hundred dogs dying in Sudan.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Ok, the idea that fish are intelligent is simply absurd, their brains are so small they arent even capable of impulse control to any great extent...

Now, I do object to the fishing of sharks, but not on moral grounds. Rather, ecological ones. They are overfished as a whole and have a slooooowwww reproductive rate, and unlike other sportfish, cant recover from our predations. IN addition to being top predators. WIthout them the ecological balance of the oceans gets fucked up.

[Darth Raptor]

You may now place your bets as to when sponges, cnidarians and echinoderms are added to the list of intelligent animals.

I say this all ends when they inevitably extend their ethicalness to protists, plants and fungi and die of starvation.

[Tsyroc]

Tofu Chowder ?



[PETA Bimbo] Not only is tofu chowder a good substitue for clam chowder it is also a most excellent substitute for those hard core vegans who miss the days when they could gargle down a boatload of sperm. Now they can get the same look, feel and taste without harming a potentially living thing plus it's Vatican Approved. Yaay! [/PETA Bimbo]

[consequences]

might be old buthere goes anyway:

Carrot Juice Is Murder (4.5 meg mp3).


I'm not gonna watch this propaganda. I saw their movie about eating meat not so long ago. Funny how they over-exaggerate everything and don't give any proof to their arguments

That song is awesome in concert.

For PETA, does anyone else long for the days when peta.org(com?) stood for "People Eating Tasty Animals"?

[Oni Koneko Damien]

Here's an idea for PETA, go after something people could actually care about. In fact, I've got a suggestion, something I saw on TV a few weeks ago (Though I cannot remember the specific channel). It was a short documentary on a far-eastern practice of serving fish. Basically, the fish is caught, gutted, scaled, cooked, and eaten *while it is still fucking alive*. Now, I'm not exactly PETA material (by current standards), but seeing that made me feel physically ill. If PETA could get their heads out of their collective ass and go after something like that, I'd consider them worth something more than disdain and mockery.

-Damien

[Ryoga]

Man, if they picket Legal's, there's some going to be some serious bloodshed up in here.

Also, I personally think cows are cute. Doesn't stop me from eating beef, but....

[Bob the Gunslinger]

Hey PETA, look what I hooked! Einsten here sure was tasty.


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Isn't that a juevenile great white? Aren't they endangered?

Now, I have no problem with you eating fish or any other animal, but why do you have to kill the cool ones off first?

[LadyTevar]

Here's an idea for PETA, go after something people could actually care about. In fact, I've got a suggestion, something I saw on TV a few weeks ago (Though I cannot remember the specific channel). It was a short documentary on a far-eastern practice of serving fish. Basically, the fish is caught, gutted, scaled, cooked, and eaten *while it is still fucking alive*. Now, I'm not exactly PETA material (by current standards), but seeing that made me feel physically ill. If PETA could get their heads out of their collective ass and go after something like that, I'd consider them worth something more than disdain and mockery.

-Damien

If it's cooked, how can it still be alive?

[Alyrium Denryle]

Hey PETA, look what I hooked! Einsten here sure was tasty.


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Isn't that a juevenile great white? Aren't they endangered?

Now, I have no problem with you eating fish or any other animal, but why do you have to kill the cool ones off first?

No it isnt a great white. Looks like a Carcharhinus obscurus, or Dusky Shark.

[Elheru Aran]

Here's an idea for PETA, go after something people could actually care about. In fact, I've got a suggestion, something I saw on TV a few weeks ago (Though I cannot remember the specific channel). It was a short documentary on a far-eastern practice of serving fish. Basically, the fish is caught, gutted, scaled, cooked, and eaten *while it is still fucking alive*.
-Damien

If it's cooked, how can it still be alive?

I believe he's referring to the gutting and scaling... and I must admit I'm dubious about its being alive. Unless it's somethin' like a catfish, which can survive for a fair while out of water, most fish won't have but the most dim of nervous impulses making them twitch after a few minutes out of the water. I find it hard to believe that the fish would have survived long enough to be gutted and scaled, unless they're kept in tanks for the purpose...

[General Zod]

Here's an idea for PETA, go after something people could actually care about. In fact, I've got a suggestion, something I saw on TV a few weeks ago (Though I cannot remember the specific channel). It was a short documentary on a far-eastern practice of serving fish. Basically, the fish is caught, gutted, scaled, cooked, and eaten *while it is still fucking alive*. Now, I'm not exactly PETA material (by current standards), but seeing that made me feel physically ill. If PETA could get their heads out of their collective ass and go after something like that, I'd consider them worth something more than disdain and mockery.

-Damien

If it's cooked, how can it still be alive?

more importantly, how can it be still alive after its been gutted and scaled? though with the caught aspect, most fish are caught when still alive. which is a bit of a no-brainer. . .

[Bob the Gunslinger]

If it's cooked, how can it still be alive?

They tried to bring that kind of place into OC a few years ago and I heard about it.

They open up the fish really quicly and pull out its organs, leaving them still connected to the fish by the veins or whatever, and then cook the organs. The diner then eats the organs and even parts of the fish's body while it is still gasping and flopping around.

It's some pretty sick shit.

[Elheru Aran]

>snip disgustingness<

Eurgh... okay, now that is some seriously sick shit. Cooking the fish's guts while they're still attached??? That's just... goddamn cruel. sickening indeed. not to mention that fish guts aren't really the safest of things; fish eat all kinds of shit. Imagine crunching into a wedding ring (yes, they have found rings, and more, in fish), or worse, a fishing hook... really, the only thing you can do with fish guts is use 'em to catch more fish, or maybe feed them to the cat. The only portion of the fish you should ingest is the flesh, although in some species (ie. cod, shark) the liver does have certain applications.

But in any case-- now that I understand...

[Mayabird]

Gutting, cooking, and eating a fish while it's still alive. It's disgusting. PETA could go after it and few people would oppose it.

While we're at it, what about people who buy little bunnies and chicks for Easter and then abandon them once they stop being cute or find out that their lazy-ass kids don't intend on taking care of them? And then there are the people who dump their cats and dogs out in the streets to die (I'm pretty sure that's how my cat came to be in the woods.) We're talking cute puppies and kitties and other furries here. They could go on a campaign about not abandoning animals and get lots of support.

Hell, they could try to be fair and go pour paint on bikers like I said before.

But PETA will never do anything like the above. Why? Because at heart, they're attention whores, stupid, cowardly, and have huge delusions about reality and their importance in the world.

And that's my final word on this.

[Wicked Pilot]

Isn't that a juevenile great white? Aren't they endangered?

It's not a baby Bruce, but a fully grown black tipped.

Now, I have no problem with you eating fish or any other animal, but why do you have to kill the cool ones off first?

Once it bit the line there was no going back. The only way to get it off the hooks was to get it on the boat, and the only way to get it on the boat was to stab it with a huge steel pole and pull it out the water. Once on the boat you'd have to be a dumbass to try and put your hand in it's mouth to remove the hooks while it's still living.

[Oni Koneko Damien]

If it's cooked, how can it still be alive?

Well, I've only seen this on TV, and that isn't exactly the bastion of truth, so take it with as much salt as you need.

Anyways, from what I gathered, when they do the gutting, they don't remove anything that would kill the fish immediately, and the scaling was only done on the lower half. Same with the cooking, the really vital parts are left alone while the lower half is cooked. Granted, it could have just been post-mortem nervous twitches, but it sure looked like it was still alive when it was being eaten by the customers. The jaws were moving and the gills were flexing. My guess is they do all this as rapidly as possible so that it will still be alive when they serve it.

What really pisses me off is, my guess, if the fish dies in the process, they probably throw it out, as the customers want a live fish. Sick fucks.

-Damien

[Iceberg]

I believe he's referring to the gutting and scaling... and I must admit I'm dubious about its being alive. Unless it's somethin' like a catfish, which can survive for a fair while out of water, most fish won't have but the most dim of nervous impulses making them twitch after a few minutes out of the water. I find it hard to believe that the fish would have survived long enough to be gutted and scaled, unless they're kept in tanks for the purpose...

If you ice 'em, and the lake is reasonably close to your house, they may still be alive when it comes time to scale and gut. My grampa used to put fish on the board for cleaning while they were still wriggling.

It was COOL.

[Elheru Aran]

Now, I have no problem with you eating fish or any other animal, but why do you have to kill the cool ones off first?

Once it bit the line there was no going back. The only way to get it off the hooks was to get it on the boat, and the only way to get it on the boat was to stab it with a huge steel pole and pull it out the water. Once on the boat you'd have to be a dumbass to try and put your hand in it's mouth to remove the hooks while it's still living.

I'm with you on that. My uncle-- who took me fishing when i caught that hammerhead-- runs a charter fishing boat, and last year, he caught this little lemon shark-- two-footer. He was pulling the hook out of its mouth-- thought it was dead-- and it clamped down on his hand... tore up his thumb and the heel of his hand something awful. He still has one big-ass scar, and is lucky to have the use of his thumb at all.

This, as I said, was with a two-footer. Now, with Pilot's four, five-footer blacktip... he'd have been lucky to escape with his HAND, let alone his thumb!

[Elheru Aran]

Forgot to add to the above... *curses lack of edit function*

Now, with this likely to happen to your hand if you try to remove the hook... do you really think it's that practical to try and save fish that manage to hook up on you, even though you may not want to catch them?

The great white, incidentally, isn't all that endangered in U.S. waters; it's still a viable sport fish, though not fished for as much as it was before; it's kind of sluggish, not really a "sport" fish, per se; the tiger shark and mako shark, on the other hand, are much more active when hooked, and make for very exciting fishing. Same with the hammerhead, as I found out when I caught mine....

[LapsedPacifist]

I fish for salmon and steelhead here in the northwest. They are very tasty and fun to catch. The regulations are written so you take what is ecologically sound and most wild fish are returned. I don't believe that fish feel pain, but I do feel its important to be respectful of what I've caught (making sure they're killed quickly, efficiently, and get eaten).

This story hit one of my fishing/hunting forums at the same time it hit here, and while many people fell into the "lets annoy the crap out of PETA" camp I thought a couple of post were very thought provoking. A point that was brought up is that the better treatment of animals the better the product on the table. I like being able to get cage-free veg-fed eggs (or eggs from the chickens that are well treated). I like knowing that my beef and leather comes from good sources that I can verify.

There's also an argument that PETA is counter-productive, annoying, and doesn't accomplish those things while at the same time working against people who enjoy meat but respect animals... but I'm trying to look for a bright side.

LP