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Kerry 'Not opening any doors, not shutting any doors' for 2008
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Tuesday, November 16, 2004

WASHINGTON - Sen. John Kerry [related, bio], who has $45 million left from his record-breaking Democratic campaign, hinted on Tuesday that he may try again for the presidency.

On his first workday back in the Senate since losing his White House bid, Kerry remained far from the spotlight, granting interviews to hometown reporters and joining the depleted corps of Democrats as they elected the party's new Senate leaders.

In his first extensive interview since his Nov. 2 defeat, Kerry was asked by the Fox News affiliate in Boston about running again in 2008 and reminded the questioner that Ohio is still counting votes from 2004.

He then said, ``It is so premature to be thinking about something that far down the road. What I've said is I'm not opening any doors, I'm not shutting any doors.'' Kerry added, ``If there's a next time, we'll do a better job. We'll see.''

Reflecting on his loss, Kerry said he was not sitting around thinking about it. ``You've got to go on,'' he said. ``Do I find it some mark of failure or distress, the answer is no.''

The former presidential nominee described himself as a ``fighter,'' and added, ``I can envision a lot of years of fight ahead of me.''

In an interview with WCVB-TV, Kerry said, ``Fifty-thousand votes - we'd be in a different place, having a different conversation,'' a reference to Ohio, which decided the race.

The Democrats have no clear front-runner for the 2008 nomination. Kerry has a distinct financial advantage over any rival based on his fund raising.

Kerry had roughly $45 million left in his primary campaign fund as of mid-October and could use that as seed money for another presidential bid. In addition, he had about $7 million on hand in a legal and accounting compliance fund that he could use for legal expenses in a 2008 campaign.

Because Kerry accepted full public financing for the general election phase of this year's race, he will have to give any of that money that remains back to the government.

During his day in the Senate, Kerry's colleagues thanked him, congratulated him and wished him well.

``Every time his name was mentioned, there was enthusiastic applause. Literally, every time his name was mentioned,'' said Sen. Debbie Stabenow, D-Mich.

Democrats met in a closed-door session to choose their leadership team for next year in what is certain to be an uphill struggle for the party. Not only did Democrats lose their second straight presidential election on Nov. 2, but the Republicans increased their numbers in the Senate and the House.

In January, the GOP will control 55 Senate seats to 44 for the Democrats with one Democratic-leaning independent.

Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., a former vice presidential candidate who lost in 2000 and a one-time presidential aspirant who fell short in the 2004 primaries, spoke from experience in offering Kerry words of support.

``He has a lot to be proud of, and I hope he'll find what I did - that it was great to have the U.S. Senate to come back to,'' Lieberman said.

Senators predicted that Kerry would find an expanded role as he eased back into his old job.

``Obviously, he brings some experience, and people are interested in what he has to say,'' said Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., pointing out that nearly half the country, if not quite enough to elect him president, voted for Kerry. President Bush [related, bio] received 60.5 million votes to Kerry's 57.1 million.

Kerry didn't make any remarks on the Senate's pending legislation nor did he deliver any speeches at the Democrats' meetings. He met privately with Sen. Tom Daschle, D-S.D., the former Minority leader who, like Kerry, lost on Nov. 2. Kerry also thanked other Democrats one-by-one for their support.

Kerry got a two-minute standing ovation from his staff, whom he thanked for giving ``your heart, your soul and even your vacation time,'' one aide said.

The day belonged to another Democrat, Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada, the party's newly elected leader. Questioned on a range of issues as he assumed the job, Reid predicted that Kerry will find a role, pointing to the four-term senator's past work on banking and foreign policy issues.

``Senator Kerry is not a shrinking violet,'' Reid said. ``We are looking for John Kerry to find what he wants to do. We are sorry that he's not in the White House, but we're glad that he's back on Capitol Hill.''

Kerry also met with his policy staff to talk about health care, energy and other legislation that might build on themes from his campaign.

Not since George McGovern lost a bid for the presidency in 1972 has a senator returned to the Senate as a defeated presidential candidate, according to the Senate Historical Office.

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The news of the $45M nest egg surely has to dismay his supporters, especially with the less-rational of them claiming that the race was so close. The money comes from his primary-season campaign fundraising, not the public money for the general election. That, supposedly, was money Kerry didn't have in June and July to get his message out, and by the time August rolled around (after the nomination), he couldn't legally spend it. How smart was that?

Democrats should ask for an accounting from the Kerry campaign. Even if Kerry couldn't spend the money, he could have transferred some or all of it to other Democratic campaigns around the country, most notably in the Senate. A few million dollars may have made a difference in places like South Dakota, where his own Minority Leader lost by just two percentage points over the GOP challenger. Other Senate races could have been rescued by some assistance from the Democratic frontrunner. Why didn't he use it instead of hoarding it?
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John Kerry: feckless campaigner extrodinaire. :roll:
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1 Kerry is of course undecided...its way too early to make that call just yet
2 He's not the first nor the only politician to have money left over from a primary campaign
3 He would have had to gotten approval from all of his donors to give his money to the party or to anyone else
4 Money really isn't what decided this election, the Dems raised as much as they possibly could
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Would that $45 million have really helped?
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Gandalf wrote:Would that $45 million have really helped?
Not with a campaign as inept as Kerry's.
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It'll have to be real dire straits for the Dems to run Kerry in 2008.
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Joe wrote:It'll have to be real dire straits for the Dems to run Kerry in 2008.
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It's possible that Kerry could run again in 2008, it just depends on how badly the Democrats want to lose.
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2008 will probably be Hilary Clinton vs Jeb Bush.

[unenthused]Yay. Yay.[/unenthused]

Seriously, after the amount of "bipartisan" luuuurve the Democrats gave the Republicans following september 11 it will be nearly impossible to pull back into anything resembling a real opposition until the 2012 election.

And on that note I think that they should just totally go all out - 2012 I want to see a black non-christian candidate, maybe even a female black non-christian. Seriously, if you are going to lose, go out with a fucking blast, it might even pull enough votes.

But in all likelyhood due to the fundie-factor until the US has a SEVERE overhaul of its electoral system it'll be 12 more years of Bushes most likely.
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Jeb says that he won't run in 2008, if such declarations can be said to mean anything.

I personally think he will not run in 2008, and couldn't even if he wanted to. Bush fatigue will kill his chances.
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What happens to the money, though? Does it die with Kerry's campaign? Does it go to the next Democratic Presidential nominee, or get turned over to the DNC?
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Master of Ossus wrote:What happens to the money, though? Does it die with Kerry's campaign? Does it go to the next Democratic Presidential nominee, or get turned over to the DNC?
It vanishes into the blackhole of bureaucracy.
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Joe wrote:It'll have to be real dire straits for the Dems to run Kerry in 2008.
They're definitely in dire straights now. But I'm sure they'll have no lack of lunused, inept politicians they haven't tried out and run into the ground.
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Master of Ossus wrote:What happens to the money, though? Does it die with Kerry's campaign? Does it go to the next Democratic Presidential nominee, or get turned over to the DNC?
It vanishes into the blackhole of bureaucracy.
The money he got from the government, whatever is left over he does have to repay. Yes, the money he raised before accepting the government money is his, however it will likely be put to use in a future campaign.

Whether or not he runs in 2008 for President is up in the air, obviously. I mean c'mon people, Bush's second term hasn't even started yet! Kerry's senate seat will also be open in '08, so who knows, he could just run for re-election as a senator.
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weemadando wrote:2008 will probably be Hilary Clinton vs Jeb Bush.
Hillary Clinton, even if she runs in the primary, won't get the Democratic nomination in 2008. She is too liberal, has very little experience as a political leader, and face it, this country isn't going to be electing a female president anytime soon. Honestly, I'd be watching Ed Rendell for the Democratic nominee.

As for the Republicans, yes, Jeb is (despite what he may be saying) is definately interested in the job, and has been for a while. His original plan was to run for president in the 2000 elections, however, he knew he needed a good amount of time in a high position first, to be viable come 2000. Thus, he originally ran for Governor of Florida in 1994, but lost. He had planned on having 5-6 years in as Governor, which would have put him in a nice position to run for the Republican nomination. Unfortunately for him, he lost and his younger brother, George W. won in Texas.
weemadando wrote:But in all likelyhood due to the fundie-factor until the US has a SEVERE overhaul of its electoral system it'll be 12 more years of Bushes most likely.
sad, yet true...I'd love to see an over-haul of the electoral college. It will be a hard one to pass, as its all the smaller states have to hold onto to get any attention at all in national elections. Not to mention the fact that one of the major reasons behind the creation of the electoral college was because the politicians did not trust the common people to "make the right decision."
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Mrs. CmdrWilkens wrote:Hillary Clinton, even if she runs in the primary, won't get the Democratic nomination in 2008. She is too liberal, has very little experience as a political leader, and face it, this country isn't going to be electing a female president anytime soon. Honestly, I'd be watching Ed Rendell for the Democratic nominee.
I think it has less to do with her being a woman and more to do with her being Hillary Clinton. There are any number of successful female politicians, and for that matter Governor Granholm would run (and maybe get the nod) were she not Canadian.
Mrs. CmdrWilkens wrote:As for the Republicans, yes, Jeb is (despite what he may be saying) is definately interested in the job, and has been for a while.
We'll see quite a field for the nod 2008. I wouldn't be suprised if Jeb waits though; his brother has alienated too many people for another Bush right now.

Now John McCain, Rudi Gulliani, Gov. John Engler, and such are all people that could well run and have a shot of the Republican Nomination. And if the amendmant passed, maybe the Governator will be promoted.
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Gandalf wrote:Would that $45 million have really helped?
Probably not, but it's kind of disturbing that with all of the emphasis that the Kerry camp placed on fundraising they didn't even come close to spending it all. I mean, if $5-10 million was left, no one would really care, but that's a HUGE chunk of their grass-roots money they didn't even use after they went out and told everyone how desperately they needed it.
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Gandalf wrote:Would that $45 million have really helped?
Probably not, but it's kind of disturbing that with all of the emphasis that the Kerry camp placed on fundraising they didn't even come close to spending it all. I mean, if $5-10 million was left, no one would really care, but that's a HUGE chunk of their grass-roots money they didn't even use after they went out and told everyone how desperately they needed it.
It always seemed to me that they did it to simply not fall behind Bush. Guess I was right on that.
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Stormbringer wrote: We'll see quite a field for the nod 2008. I wouldn't be suprised if Jeb waits though; his brother has alienated too many people for another Bush right now.
Jeb has waited too long. And I don't think he can run again for Governor of Florida. His son will certainly help pull in the latino vote. And Jesusland loves him.
Now John McCain, Rudi Gulliani, Gov. John Engler, and such are all people that could well run and have a shot of the Republican Nomination. And if the amendmant passed, maybe the Governator will be promoted .
I highly doubt it will. Amendments are waaaaay hard to pass. And I'm sorry, but I kinda would rather not have naturalized citizens up for the presidency. Yes, I know we are a nation of immigrants, but I prefer having a president who was born and raised here.
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Mrs. CmdrWilkens wrote:Yes, I know we are a nation of immigrants, but I prefer having a president who was born and raised here.
Um ... we've got that now. I think it might be time for change.
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Mrs. CmdrWilkens wrote:Yes, I know we are a nation of immigrants, but I prefer having a president who was born and raised here.
Um ... we've got that now. I think it might be time for change.
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It looks like Kerry might be confusing the anti-Bush support he got this year with being pro-Kerry support.
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Jeb has waited too long. And I don't think he can run again for Governor of Florida. His son will certainly help pull in the latino vote. And Jesusland loves him.
I don't really know if he can or not; I'm not familiar with Florida's term limits. As for Jesusland (which is a bunch of stupid shit anyway) they might but they shouldn't. Jeb Bush is not his brother by any means, he's a relatively moderate christian and doesn't pull it into secular affairs. We could do worse than Jeb.
I highly doubt it will. Amendments are waaaaay hard to pass. And I'm sorry, but I kinda would rather not have naturalized citizens up for the presidency. Yes, I know we are a nation of immigrants, but I prefer having a president who was born and raised here.
This is are Arnold we're talking about; he's already pulled off one political mircale. He's won California and is still popular there. I wouldn't rule the amendmant out by any means.

And what does it matter where he was born? He's an American now and I for one would love to have a competent, moderate, and decent canidate running.
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Jeb cannot be re-elected as governor of Florida.
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phongn wrote:Jeb cannot be re-elected as governor of Florida.
And, as an aside, has EMPHATICALLY stated at a press conference that he will *not* run for president. in fact the exchange went something like this (I'm completely not joking)

Jeb: I would just like to say that I will not run for president. I am going to continue my focus on Florida, and the people of Florida and complete my term with integrity, and, just focus on what best I can do with the time I have left in office.

Yes, John?

reporter guy: Yes, but might you chan-

Jeb: NO *laughs*

*Everyone participates in uneasy obligatory laughter*


heard that on NPR on my way home from work. Man, I got a kick out of that; for a republican, Jeb seems almost Human, sometimes :wink: :lol:
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